Quote Originally Posted by Zagen View Post
TotM at current values are enough to do the introductory content (I'm including all delve besides the fracture bosses there). The issue there is elitism segregation. If TotM never prevented elitism segregation when R/E/M became the norm for shouts what makes you think that would change unless they were beefed up to the point they competed with mid/fully upgraded delve weapons? At which point begs the question what's the point of doing Delve.
Think this post finally shows a big problem with the debate.

This is not something that we "think"...it is not a hypothetical.

This very thing is happening---the players are rejecting Magian equipped players, pure and simple.

Let me repeat that, in case it is still being missed, regardless of how many times it has been pointed out:

people are being rejected because of gear selection.

Why? Because of the stats on the gear. It isn't because of their understanding/mastery of their job or the event---it is purely judgement made against their gear stats.