Long Holding Times for Delve NMs

[Damane]

define what you define as "good gear (hint not exeptional gear!)"

I bet you wouldn't consider 75% of players' gear as good

good gear, is empy +2, some Voidwatch gear, and some Nyzul gear. Decent rings belts setups etc. You dont need to go balls to the walls with haveing all nyzul isle gear, and all salvage +1, gear Relic/empy/mythic etc. A good magian weapon at 99 or a good 99 AH weapon will do too. I think with the fact that nyzul isle got nerfed now like two or three times you can expect peopel to have at least 2-3 pieces from it. And a somewhat okeish hybrid haste/PDT/MDT set.
Exeptional gear would be haveing best sidgrades in salvage +1 gear, relic +2 augments, Relic/empy/mythic weapons etc etc. You dont need that

But sporting lvl 14 +2 STR rings, a STR necklace etc. in your TP set isnt gonna help people finish off delve.

For mages: haveing caped cure potency, somewhat decent enfeeb set (either by haveing m.acc magian trial staves or haveing m.acc gear for enfeeb casts), a decent enhancing set, a fast cast set. a decent refresh/PDT/idle set.

and mostly CAPPED SKILL! good lord

and for god sake work out a decent setup. SMNs or BLMs arent gonna help you push in fast dmg, when melees/rangers can do so much more.

Besides you have 2 options to deal with the NMs. outside with 20 min timer limit or inside with 45 min timer. If you cant kill them outside, try inside delve with 45 min. If you cant kill it inside (and they dont rage inside at all) in 45 min, you have definitly issues with either your setup or the players you are takeing in (skill or gear wise)

[Sly]

They introduced Delve saying it would be the top end of End Game, meaning after you have done the rest of the End Game and gotten most of that gear and had the skill and strategies to do the NMs. They stated that before it came out, it was never meant to be easy and doable by just anyone. You don't need to have the best of the best equip like Damane and Shirai had been saying.

If you are finding it too hard, just try different set ups, make sure to have the NMs weakness under control and find what damages it best for your group. Swap people out and in after a win/loss and keep trying, nothing makes perfect quite like practice. If your strat seems to work but you just can't get it down before it rages, you may just want to backtrack and get the gear you feel you're missing that will boost your damage and accuracy or magic accuracy etc.

Just keep in mind that this was made as the highest calibur of End Game for the moment, it was not meant to be easy, and was meant to be a challenge for those who had completed everything before it. People cried out for this kind of content before. It is doable, but if you come to it with Abyssea burned jobs etc. you aren't expected to do this. Shout groups have always been sketchy for End Game events, and this is no different so that direction will most likely not be beneficial for you.

[Mirage]

This update makes me glad that I actually enjoy playing WHM.

[raps1355]

Exeptional gear would be haveing best sidgrades in salvage +1 gear, relic +2 augments, Relic/empy/mythic weapons etc etc. You dont need that

I am not sure why you class relic+2 augments as exceptional seeing as anyone can solo these. Also empy are available to all and are soloable so every player should at the bare minimum have at least 1 85 empy. Any magian stat path weapon for 2 handers are simply unacceptable.

[Iakothm]

I am not sure why you class relic+2 augments as exceptional seeing as anyone can solo these. Also empy are available to all and are soloable so every player should at the bare minimum have at least 1 85 empy. Any magian stat path weapon for 2 handers are simply unacceptable.

please go solo chloris since he is so easy.

[raps1355]

please go solo chloris since he is so easy.

He is very easy, i assume you are refering to doom which is easily solved by holy waters.

[Vivik]

He is very easy, i assume you are refering to doom which is easily solved by holy waters.

Easily! Now go make a video of you soloing it.

[Siven]

This sucks. I was actually enjoying doing Delve, even when the fights dragged on a little bit. The rationale behind not doing multiple ??? locations has got to be the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. Because some would be more convenient than others. Are you kidding me?! Half the groups weren't fighting the mobs anywhere near the ??? anyway. Thanks for turning an entertaining event into another heavy DD exclusive event like NNI. Revert this change 100%.

[Mirage]

I am not sure why you class relic+2 augments as exceptional seeing as anyone can solo these. Also empy are available to all and are soloable so every player should at the bare minimum have at least 1 85 empy. Any magian stat path weapon for 2 handers are simply unacceptable.

Too bad many lv85 empys are weaker than many other magians at lv99, but let's just ignore facts, right?

[Demon6324236]

Easily! Now go make a video of you soloing it.

If I had a pop I would make a vid of me soloing Chloris, but I lack a pop, and the time to go make a pop for a weapon I do not intend to build at this time.