Level 99 Relic, Mythic, Empyrean, and WoE Weapons

[Camate]

I understand the delicacy of this discussion and everyone's feelings on the matter; however, please keep in mind that Producer Matsui has indicated that all of this is no where near finalized at this point and they are still in the early discussion phase.

With that said, there have been quite a few posts that we have had to remove due to inappropriate language, so please keep this in mind when making a reply to this thread.

As always, I will be doing all that I can so that your opinions are delivered to the development team and rest assured that your voice is being heard.

[Kojo]

I understand the delicacy of this discussion and everyone's feelings on the matter; however, please keep in mind that Producer Matsui has indicated that all of this is no where near finalized at this point and they are still in the early discussion phase.

With that said, there have been quite a few posts that we have had to remove due to inappropriate language, so please keep this in mind when making a reply to this thread.

As always, I will be doing all that I can so that your opinions are delivered to the development team and rest assured that your voice is being heard.

We're all counting on you, good luck!

Also, thanks for patching things through!

[Smokesalot]

they are still in the early discussion phase

Is this thread evidence enough that they should throw this idea out?

[Ica]

I understand the delicacy of this discussion and everyone's feelings on the matter; however, please keep in mind that Producer Matsui has indicated that all of this is no where near finalized at this point and they are still in the early discussion phase.

With that said, there have been quite a few posts that we have had to remove due to inappropriate language, so please keep this in mind when making a reply to this thread.

As always, I will be doing all that I can so that your opinions are delivered to the development team and rest assured that your voice is being heard.

Thank you Camate!

One of the reasons I'm being so vocal about this issue (I can't speak for everyone of course) is because it isn't finalized. I don't want this idea to get anywhere near the finalization stage. ><;

[pretre]

Thank you Camate!

One of the reasons I'm being so vocal about this issue (I can't speak for everyone of course) is because it isn't finalized. I don't want this idea to get anywhere near the finalization stage. ><;

exactly run in the dev room now scream no an tell em to stop being stupid please

[Vivik]

no where near finalized at this point

Good to know. You guys might start getting my money again when they are.

[Zumi]

Feeling sorry for the community team that has to delete all them profanity laden I am quitting posts.

[BorkBorkBork]

I understand the delicacy of this discussion and everyone's feelings on the matter; however, please keep in mind that Producer Matsui has indicated that all of this is no where near finalized at this point and they are still in the early discussion phase.

With that said, there have been quite a few posts that we have had to remove due to inappropriate language, so please keep this in mind when making a reply to this thread.

As always, I will be doing all that I can so that your opinions are delivered to the development team and rest assured that your voice is being heard.

They should have had a plan in place before they even thought about releasing those weapons. I think we as a player base is capable of telling the difference between what is a real plan and what is a "opps we screwed up.... well we better say something" response.

[Zirael]

I understand the delicacy of this discussion and everyone's feelings on the matter; however, please keep in mind that Producer Matsui has indicated that all of this is no where near finalized at this point and they are still in the early discussion phase.

With that said, there have been quite a few posts that we have had to remove due to inappropriate language, so please keep this in mind when making a reply to this thread.

As always, I will be doing all that I can so that your opinions are delivered to the development team and rest assured that your voice is being heard.

You should go and deliver those deleted posts to Matsui, because that's exactly what we're thinking at the moment.

If I wanted to play the WoW's "wipe everyone's achievements every six months", I'd go play WoW. You are disrespectful to everyone, who is in the process of making, I don't know, let's say a 30000 alexandrite mythic, or who has finished one last week after months or YEARS of puking boredom you call Slavage and Dienamis and expect them to dig it and be cheerful?
How about Producer Matsui finishes leveling his character, makes a Mythic weapon and THEN tells me how I should be feeling about all of this?

[Kitkat]

I understand the delicacy of this discussion and everyone's feelings on the matter; however, please keep in mind that Producer Matsui has indicated that all of this is no where near finalized at this point and they are still in the early discussion phase.

With that said, there have been quite a few posts that we have had to remove due to inappropriate language, so please keep this in mind when making a reply to this thread.

As always, I will be doing all that I can so that your opinions are delivered to the development team and rest assured that your voice is being heard.

Camate
It has nothing to do with it not being finalized and everything to do with the fact it is a poorly realized plan. As stated in my prior post, unless it could transfer all of the perks over for the user to maintain (Hidden ODD/OTD, Aftermath, WS, etc) it is a very bad move to not simply enhance the weapon. Plain and simple: We don't want this plan finalized at all - especially when the person telling it to use can't even tell us if it is possible to transfer all the reasons people made these weapons for in the first place.

I can tell you right now I didn't make my Mandau and Almace just for a WS. I made them because they increased the over all damage output for the jobs I play and can equip the weapons. Back at 75 it didn't get any better than Mandau and it was made relevant even at 99 because developers took the time and effort to instate trials that brought the weapon up to par with the new kids in the play ground (Emp weapons).

Mythic weapons went through a transformation of their own that made them extremely well balanced as endgame weapons as well. Boost to the Mythic weapon skills that weren't very strong to begin with, enhanced the aftermath making some of these better than any other endgame weapon (including relic and emp), and further increased the "enhances X job ability." Needless to say these weapons took an extremely long time to make in comparison to other weapons for a long while also due to the types of requirements each player had to go through to get them done.

Emp. Weapons came and stole the lime-light for a decent while, and in some cases are still a pretty mean weapon in the hands of a well geared player. Up to the 90 stage is not very difficult, but does take time to do. It gets fairly ridiculous once you work on the 95-99 stage as this part starts to heavily rely on players to continue doing VWNM, but with recent updates you are effectively making it totally pointless for players to continue doing these events by totally negating the gear that comes from these events. This means that players also will stop doing them enmass to get plates that they then turn around and sell to other players working on the final stages of Emp weapons. Additionally, these weapons give the largest chunk of +stat that works for the WS in some cases by 99 (+20).

Last but not least, the famous afterglow effect; something developers added to these weapons to give players the incentive to really go above and beyond so they had the absolute best of the best and something to show for it. This Idea totally tramples on the players who dragged other players along for hours of farming up pop items then fighting to attain the necessary materials to eventually get to this point. Now you are telling these players that they wasted their time because you are planning on negating their effort in place of allowing them to use the weaponskill and maybe the aftermath at the least rather than keep their weapons relevant in the long run? Isn't that sort of a slap to the face of not just the playerbase but the developers who left it this way because they had not intention of making the weapons obsolete due to the time and effort to make them?

Camate, please make sure that Matsui is made very aware of how displeased we players are with this idea so that they possibly stop working on it all together in favor of a better alternative. I'm sorry, but you don't make players spend years building and enhancing these weapons then simply tell them "we aren't planning to continue Magian trials to enhance weapons, and we are thinking of making legendary weapons obsolete but we'll let you keep the WS for all your hard work!"