So is delve for new lvl 99 players?

[Asymptotic]

No matter how much I try to think about gear progression via events logically, I still cannot get past the fact that we're collecting pants in order to collect slightly better pants later, or in the case of many sets of gear, pants that are somewhat better than these other pants on Tuesday, but not Thursday or Saturday.

Too many pairs of pants if you ask me.

It's just like real life - you can wear your sweatpants in your college classes but you'll need to buy some khakis for that internship - and when you want to go out for that job interview in DC you'll need a suit - and then when you own the company you can show up in sweatpants and not a goddamn person can say a thing!

In any case, you have to wear pants you already have to go to the store in order to buy better pants.

[Caketime]

I'd rather wear no pants

Seconded. It's too hot for pants here anyway, unless you like ball soup.

[Zumi]

About legion though, the FFXI community doesn't really like it very much. You rarely see shouts for it. I seen maybe like 10 or so shouts ever for it. I always wanted to try it but every time I saw a shout for it I was already committed to doing something else usually joined a VW or NNI shout.

I am not even sure why people don't want to do legion.

[Alhanelem]

About legion though, the FFXI community doesn't really like it very much. You rarely see shouts for it. I seen maybe like 10 or so shouts ever for it. I always wanted to try it but every time I saw a shout for it I was already committed to doing something else usually joined a VW or NNI shout.

I am not even sure why people don't want to do legion.

It has good stuff, but it's not a walk in the park- so most of the people you see who've done it (and have the gear) are linkshells that have static'd it. A good range of jobs can do well there if everyone is competent, but that 'competent" stipulation means shouts are rare.

[Asymptotic]

Legion failed due to mediocre rewards and high level of effort required (people don't want to do expert level 18-man content for sidegrades)

[Yinnyth]

About legion though, the FFXI community doesn't really like it very much. You rarely see shouts for it. I seen maybe like 10 or so shouts ever for it. I always wanted to try it but every time I saw a shout for it I was already committed to doing something else usually joined a VW or NNI shout.

I am not even sure why people don't want to do legion.

Legion is harder than NNI, and if you want to win NNI, you'll need a good static or good luck (luck forming your shout group, or luck just getting a ton of free floors and single-enemy kill floors.... which almost never happens). So when it comes to people who do Legion, they form a linkshell and don't take kindly to newbs coming in and screwing things all up. And it's really easy to screw things up for EVERYONE in legion.

[Dantedmc]

It has good stuff, but it's not a walk in the park- so most of the people you see who've done it (and have the gear) are linkshells that have static'd it. A good range of jobs can do well there if everyone is competent, but that 'competent" stipulation means shouts are rare.

The main issue with legion is the huge gear check in combination with the party requirements:

-Do all of your whms have arise?
-Do you have two DHarp bards?
-Do you have three apamajas II + stunset schs?
-Do you have two parties of R/E/M DD?
-Do you have an ochain PLD?

Having all these at the same time can be quite the challenge, when previously the game pretty much required a party or less, and if it required 18 (i.e VW) the gear didn't have top notch on practically every party member with a high amount of party coordination.

This is all pre embrava nerf, I'm not sure how the event has changed afterwards.

[Alhanelem]

The main issue with legion is the huge gear check in combination with the party requirements:

-Do all of your whms have arise?
-Do you have two DHarp bards?
-Do you have three apamajas II + stunset schs?
-Do you have two parties of R/E/M DD?
-Do you have an ochain PLD?

Having all these at the same time can be quite the challenge, when previously the game pretty much required a party or less, and if it required 18 (i.e VW) the gear didn't have top notch on practically every party member with a high amount of party coordination.

This is all pre embrava nerf, I'm not sure how the event has changed afterwards.

I did a run not to long ago, and I was on GEO of all things... *nobody* had any of the stuff you listed and while we didn't win (due to stupidity, not lack of damage) we came close. Embrava isn't needed either. all of the monsters have noticably less HP at the same time that it was nerfed.

[Asymptotic]

*nobody* had any of the stuff you listed and while we didn't win (due to stupidity, not lack of damage) we came close.

You're talking about post-nerf Legion. What you're doing is basically the same thing as telling people that capped CoP mission fights weren't challenging because you just did the uncapped versions and they weren't hard. Legion was a completely different story before two rounds of nerfs.

Legion failed before they nerfed it, but it was dead on arrival anyway (by design).

[Alhanelem]

You're talking about post-nerf Legion. What you're doing is basically the same thing as telling people that capped CoP mission fights weren't challenging because you just did the uncapped versions and they weren't hard. Legion was a completely different story before two rounds of nerfs.

Legion failed before they nerfed it, but it was dead on arrival anyway (by design).

Yes, I'm talking about post nerf legion, that was the whole point. But i doubt you truly needed an army of 99 relic wielders to do it before that.