Dragoon Endgame Lances

[Hawklaser]

Wanting to get a good endgame lance, and while knowing Ryo is the best, the pre-reqs to making one is going to take a while. Currently using Patientia Lance, and working on making a Magian lance. With my Magian lance nearing the point of differentiating between OaT and Empy, been wondering on which route to go while waiting on Kirata to play nice.

Lot of what I have been hearing is to steer away from making the Empy lance. But how does it compare to the lances after the OaT magian? Then there is also the question of how do the new SoA lances compare to the other top lances.

[Babekeke]

After Ryuinohige, Emp and Relic are still the next best thing, but for the amount of work put in, OAT is very good, and STR magian in some situations is about tied.

Patientia Lance falls behind others like Delphinius (though you will struggle to 5-hit Delph unless you have phorcy's), and also an extremely good substitute is Herja's Fork.

If you're doing a lot of Reives, the Bayld one isn't bad. As good as Patientia outside of reives, and much better in reives.

The new ones on AH are better than Patientia, however the price will be dropping so unless you want to lose money on it, it's not an ideal time to buy while waiting for your Ryu. Again with the AH ones, the NQ is better if you don't have Phorcy's, as you can make a 5-hit easier.

Edited post-noobery

[Demon6324236]

Patientia Lance falls behind others like Ephemeron (though you will struggle to 5-hit Eph unless you have phorcy's), and also an extremely good substitute is Herja's Fork.

You can make a 5-hit with a sword?! O_O

No really though, you meant Delphinius, the Polearm, not Ephemeron, the sword, but thats ok, the weapons never drop anyways so its not a big deal.

[Umichi]

Vougiers contus imho

[Hawklaser]

Ok, so then how do the Relic and Emp compare to each other? As looking at going Patientia -> OAT -> ??? -> Mythic for lances then. And the ??? Would be Relic or Emp, and maybe another step in there depending on SoA lances.

[Umichi]

I would put RME all in the same boat as a drg you have many paths to choose from and most of them stem from the primary sub you use. i personaly am shooting for gugnir. i mainly play /whm and the acc is unbeatable on almost any weapon known in the game. sdding to drgs already superb acc the relic makes for more fully connected hits. shock spikes is great for soloing. and also has a very high base damage. Mythic is the al around awsomest but i'd put relic and empy up there with it as it depends on how the drg is using each one.

[detlef]

Ryunohige is the best no matter what your situation is. RME may be in the same boat but R and E are shoveling coal below deck.

[Umichi]

We'll see how well they perform in the hands of people who are skillful with lances vs min/maxers....

[Umichi]

in this expansion that is

[Horadrim]

After Ryuinohige, Emp and Relic are still the next best thing, but for the amount of work put in they are generally considered not worth it, OAT is very good, and STR magian in some situations is about tied.

I felt like this was missing from your post?

Yeah, this line is more or less exactly what I've been told. It's basically make Ryuinohige and be happy, make Empyrean/Relic and be disappointed, or make OAT and be satisfied.

Most of it, I've been told, is linked to the nature of DRG's operation within the game. It is really disappointing that this is the case, but after getting to Chesma on Verethragna and being stuck on Bugbear Strongman for Arma (which honestly will likely end up being Mollfirth, because despite the fact I have no problem farming NMs, breaking 90 is a mess and a half and I'm having a hard time understanding the real difference between Arma 90 and 99 Mollfirth beyond the AGI. I've been told the aftermath is almost unnoticeable due to the way ranged attacks work. Plus I'm a MAB COR, so yeah....