New weapons with higher base damage then relics

[detlef]

You realize that at each stage, your RME is not already the best. You have to work to get it from 75 to 80, and from 80 to 85 and so on. The weapons have been updated essentially once time the level cap has been raised, which only 5 times. It's not like the update comes and your 95 suddenly becomes 99 with improved stats and traits.

But if you've worked to keep your weapon current (85 empyrean doesn't count) then you have every right to feel cheated when something better (and not just better, but ridiculously better in some cases) comes along and stomps on your weapon. Especially when you take into account the way Skirmish is accessed and defeated.

I do not even have a personal stake in this. But I do have friends who are wondering what SE is thinking and hoping for a Resolution if you get my drift.

[Denmork]

That's 90% of what the problem is.

Which is why I've stopped participating in this "conversation" for the most part...

You do know that the whole point of relics was to make something not everyone can have right? The idea is to give the hardest of the hardcore a goal to make their character just a little better then the casual player. People seem to romanticize relic as if they were some super powered game changer weapon when in truth they weren't.

[Karbuncle]

Horadrim, Buddy, It has nothing to do with Superiority in my situation. I don't care if i feel less superior, Its the fact i poured hundreds of millions of gil, and a lot of time and effort into it.

Trivializing the reality of this achievement then hapharzadly accusing them of a superiority complex, Its not only way more childish than anything Asymptom said, its flat out just annoying and inconsiderate entirely.

Thats not to you Mr. Taru, I see your points, Even though I loathe that you would even mention superiority, as thats essentially what we call an Ad hominem, which is beneath you. Some of these people might be upset their E-Peen is hurt, the other 98% of us? Just more upset our time investment has gone to waste and is being trivialized by folk

You cannot compare R/M/E to Armor or accessories, They are not in the same paradigm. R/M/E Were always the weapons that were "Top tier" and were, as I've said before, Designed to be a Solid, Staple piece if you happen to obtain it. These items were introduced to be the best... you can't just roll in saying things like "HER HER SHULD OF XPECTED IT BROZ" when from their introduction they were designed to be the only solid piece of equipment you got, rivaled only by other Legendary Weapons.

That's why people are upset. Not that its being replaced, but that its being replaced by something several people have only a week after release, and more are sure to easily come. No matter how rare Skirmish pieces are to the individual, as a server, there are going to be a steady stream of pieces, for either the gil-having group, or those seeking their own. It certainly won't take as long as a Mythic, or 99 Relic/Emp.

I'm not saying they'll rain from the sky, But its about your investment. Unless SE tells me theres an NPC that'll accept my Relic in return for a year of my life and ~250mil, I fell robbed. I like many others bothered investing in one of these legendaries because we liked the idea of a Staple, "best" Weapon. We could always replace our armor, accessories, even our offhand... but that mainhand was why we worked on a relic.

I didn't use it to fell superior, I got my Mandau because i love Thief... I never think of it as a Status Symbol, only as something i worked real hard on, the one thing in the game i felt gave me a sense of accomplishment and longevity

EDIT: LONGEVITY IS THE WORD.

[detlef]

How then do you propose SE releases stronger weapons for stronger content? Just keep releasing ways to further upgrade RMEs step-by-step so they always stay strongest? That increases the total time investment involved in the weapons and helps create yet another insurmountable wall for new players.

Your "insurmountable wall" comment is contradicted by the poster below you who is absolutely right: R/M/E is busywork that *anybody* can accomplish. Anybody and everybody in this day and age of FFXI can make one of these. The only thing limiting you is whether you are willing to put the effort in. This applies even to mythics.

As for what you've suggested? Yes, I do believe that SE should keep these weapons in line with the best. Especially when the new best consists of direct, apparently guaranteed drops from a 30 minute, 6-man event.

[Yinnyth]

I'm not referring to what RMEs are right now, as far as completion goes, I'm talking about the future. With each additional trial tacked on, completing a relic weapon becomes more and more time consuming. 10 years from now if they allow relics to stay in the lead, the line of trials you would have to complete would be more than most people would be willing to read through, let alone complete.

A new player looking at obtaining currency, doing kills, getting marrow, plus whatever else is done to keep relics in the lead would more-than-likely just give up.

[Zagen]

I didn't use it to fell superior, I got my Mandau because i love Thief... I never think of it as a Status Symbol, only as something i worked real hard on, the one thing in the game i felt gave me a sense of accomplishment and foundation... I had a better word there but i forgot what its called.

How exactly did the new weapons replace the "status symbol" of Mandau or any R/E/M for that matter?

[Asymptotic]

(D66 Delay 183 Critical Hit Rate +5% daggers from 3-6main meeble-burrows difficulty content isn't the way to go about it, that's for sure. It's subpar to AM3 Terpsichore by less than the amount of DPS you lose maintaining AM3!)

It's really an investment issue at the core of things (although that's not to say that ego issues do not exacerabte it.
Gear has never been a really "safe" investment but that's at least in part because the relative investment has always been rather low.
At any given moment, SE could turn around and invalidate a particular piece of armor or accessory which is part of the reason I personally limit my level of investment in armor. If a particular piece of armor costs me over 15m , I don't consider the investment risk worth the cost.

Prestige weapons have always been considered to be "safe" investments (for those in which investent was "worth it" in the first place) largely in part due to the level of effort and commitment required to obtain them. (100-400m is no joke to the average player, who will most likely never see that sum of gil at once).
Whereas pieces of gear are more like clothing (fittingly) or appliances where the investment is comparatively low, Relics and Mythics have been viewed to be more analogous with houses (except you cannot sell them to recoup losses where applicable). When you buy a TV or a cell phone or a jacket, it may be slightly annoying if something better comes out - but you are also well aware that the probability that your investment will be displaced and depreciate in relative value is rather high. But since the relative investment is low, it's often a cost worth the risk (and in some cases, you can recoup a portion of your losses by selling to the consumer level below you when you're ready to upgrade).
Relics and Mythics have an extremely high investment cost, but this has been balanced by their continued high-caliber performance and thus the investment and return have been regarded as "safe" and people will obviously defend the value of high-cost investments they considered to be "safe" (this is why homeowners associations exist and why the 7-11 near my house cannot stay open for 24 hours, because the neighborhood adjacent will not let them in fear that it will decrease their property values - things like this happen all the time).

The safety, security of these investments was implied and supported by the development team's content introductions up to SoA, and this is the main reason why people are upset. (Of course the main reason to be upset is that it has te potential to essentially uproot an entire aspect of the game economy without really providing a replacement).

[detlef]

I'm not referring to what RMEs are right now, as far as completion goes, I'm talking about the future. With each additional trial tacked on, completing a relic weapon becomes more and more time consuming. 10 years from now if they allow relics to stay in the lead, the line of trials you would have to complete would be more than most people would be willing to read through, let alone complete.

A new player looking at obtaining currency, doing kills, getting marrow, plus whatever else is done to keep relics in the lead would more-than-likely just give up.

Is it really worth worrying about new players not bothering to make a relic weapon in 2023?

[Karbuncle]

How exactly did the new weapons replace the "status symbol" of Mandau or any R/E/M for that matter?

I said it wasn't a status symbol to me, but something I worked hard on and was proud of. it wasn't so others could envy, but so i could feel happy with myself.

Plus, You should really look at the weapons and their augments, It'll answer that question for you... While few of them come out Clear 100% on the top, A lot of them crush the crap out of the 90~95 Empyrean, and even some of their 99 Relic counterparts.

Asymptotic Showed a particular good example of the Dagger that makes me cringe when i see it, and also the same one i said I would be more than happy to obtain. At least go back and make an effort to read my posts, I'm getting bored of speaking in circles about how I'm actually not disappointed in this so much as I am sad for my Mandau and the work i put into it.

[Yinnyth]

Not just new players, but players who have yet to obtain that specific weapon. If I want a mandau for my bard, I would have to put forth how much time to get it functional?