New weapons with higher base damage then relics

[Demon6324236]

I have a feeling that most of the people crying that relics need to die did not obtain anything other maybe an 85 empy. It's a massive time/gil sink to actually build a relic/mythic/emp to 99 and to have that suddenly made useless is more or less a slap in the face to those that stuck it out. Now what I do hope happens is this will kill the 85 emps once and for all since the idea that a half finished weapon counts as a fully upgraded weapon has gone on a bit to long.

Ok so let me get this straight... since what you just said is that RME are useless...

Not absolute best = useless

85 Emp = should be useless

Ok then. First off, you made the weapon, I assume you expected it to stay the best thing ever forever, mistaken judgment in my opinion, you should never think something will be the best forever. On the other hand, you think that 85 Emps should be seen as gimp and horrible, which seems stupid seeing as the real reason for many Emps and Relics are because of their WS and extra attributes. Since some people only want those parts of the weapon, its fine, others who want the weapon to be stronger take it up to 99, which is fine too, you should not have a problem with others who only take their weapons to 85 or 90, especially when the amount of money for a level 99 Emp is so much more work than the earlier stages it seems stupid.

[Demon6324236]

Oh no no.. Let's actually make this comparable to what's going on...
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So let's say they make the 99 horn drop from a 30 min battle 3-6 people,
and it's going to be All songs +7.

K, now how do you feel?

Oh, so I assume you know how hard Achuka is and have fought him? No? How about anyone you know? So you claim its only a 30 minute battle of 3~6 people, yet you have no info about it, huh...

[Asymptotic]

3-6 People, 36 minutes is Skirmish. You guys are getting content mixed up.

[Crusader81]

Oh, so I assume you know how hard Achuka is and have fought him? No? How about anyone you know? So you claim its only a 30 minute battle of 3~6 people, yet you have no info about it, huh...

No I cancelled my sub today, so I won't be doing any battles. The GS is from 30 min battle and it's 179 to 143.
It really doesn't matter how hard he is or isn't.

He's killable great Tlalpoloani will start showing up everywhere
The droprate is so low nobody bothers
He's impossible like AV, great new pointless content.

Either way I don't regret my decission.

[Demon6324236]

3-6 People, 36 minutes is Skirmish. You guys are getting content mixed up.

Was my way of pointing out that he was saying it came from the wrong thing seeing as it comes from Achuka rather than Skirmish.

No I cancelled my sub today, so I won't be doing any battles. The GS is from 30 min battle and it's 179 to 143.
It really doesn't matter how hard he is or isn't.

He's killable great Tlalpoloani will start showing up everywhere
The droprate is so low nobody bothers
He's impossible like AV, great new pointless content.

Either way I don't regret my decission.

I find it funny how many people I have been coming across who complain like this about RME being out done in damage, and its sad at the same time. If you got use out of your weapon at all you have no reason to complain, its not as if the weapon was nerfed to be worthless, or as though every weapon in the expansion is better. Its also not as though SE said that RME would be left as they are without any changes in the future, or that most of these weapons have better stats naturally. Lastly, giving up at the start of an expansion is a fools choice, why wait to see what else will come of that money you put in when you can just drop the game and walk away because your precious weapon was out done by something new, and you can either not be bothered with getting another weapon, or think you are entitled to the best thing ever for all your hard work you put in before the new stuff was released.

Fact of the matter is, things change, and this is just another one of those things that change, if these weapons were not stronger then no one would care, after all, this community has already basically cockblocked its players into building Emps/Relics in order to compete in content over the last few years if you want to actually attack the mob, rather than just work as a support. Because of this, anyone looking to get their hands on a shiny new weapon is probably already in possession of an RME, and as such would have no use for a weaker weapon. By actually making these weapons stronger and providing another tier onto RME they are actually making these weapons worth going for to all players currently while the next stage in the RME path will come along later for people to do once again, and at that time, they will possibly become the dominate weapons once more, till then, all players, not simply those without RME, have new weapons to strive for.

[detlef]

As has been brought up in this thread, it is a bit concerning when someone asks how to make money at 99, the answer is invariably "participate in an activity that yields drops that will help to build somebody's R/M/E weapon." Or fishing (that is another story). If something better, cheaper, and easier comes along, will people farm dynamis for gil? Will VW interest die down even further? Will people continue to grind neo-salvage once they finish their +1 pieces? It's something to think about.

Also, if SE intended for R/M/E's to be outclassed (and by outclassed, I mean left in the dust in some cases), why were we allowed to increase their power through magian trials all the way to 99? SE has shown that they care about and are aware of the effort necessary to complete these weapons. This is probably the biggest reason why I think that SE does have something in mind to keep them at or near the top.

[Ravenmore]

Are all of you really this optimistic in regards to how SE will treat this? Or did you miss the point where they said "Would not go to waste" and not even remotely wording it in a way "Will be the best" or "Will be relevant".

I'm not going to sit back like a bear on a parkbench or a skeleton in a chair waiting for SE to deliver on R/E/M Adjustments. They said they would not be enhancing them through ToM "Or any other methods", but said "Have plants to make sure they do not go to waste".

We might not be getting a buff, They could just allow their Benefits to work in the offhand for 1 handers, as far as 2handers, who knows. Either way, they made it clear they dont plan on enhancing them through any methods... rather this means they'll just buff the DMG on them or something entirely different and far more useless and "Consolation prize" is completely up to speculation.

You're speculating positively, the other people don't trust SE on this one. neither side has any proof their speculation is warranted.



And i have to agree with this. Regardless of how difficult Skirmishes are to enter, I shouldn't be able to outclass 99 Relics simply by entering a ~45 mInute event with 3-6 people.

Again how about all the ones that are crap to start with huh were are the buffs to those weapons. Drg got the shaft that relic and emp are only used for the high base dmg and both are out classed by a weapon you could buy pops for for at most 5 to 10 mil. Now the rest of the jobs get to deal with what other jobs had to deal with from the get go.

[Jaall]

People are quitting not just because of this but because SE in general are not just letting the game die but seem to be killing it. I personally have quit cause I'm sick of SE making mistakes and taking months to fix them when I have better things to do than wait for a game to be fixed, especially when there are tons of other games out there. XI used to be fun but it's losing it very quickly and at the moment it's just a giant test server with all the issues and fixes every week. I'm not paying to be a tester because in my opinion this is not a game I enjoy playing anymore, partly because everything I worked hard for is being completely overrun by new easier to obtain gear, but also because SE is putting the priority of outclassing that gear over the other much needed fixes in the game which is just simply taking the p*ss. SE are doing the equivalent of committing suicide, but a part of me reckons it's planned and are just making sure people quit so they can divert the whole team to FFXIV.

[Falseliberty]

I'd like to say in the past month I haven't seen anyone quit... In fact I've seen a bunch of new faces and old faces return.
But on topic I just dropped a whole bunch upgrading my twas to 99 bout month ago and have no regrets. Bring on the new stuffz I say, Also I think we should hold off for a bit xpac is still brand new and It ain't raining these weapons exactly, haven't seen not a soul yet with one.

This thread should prob be revisited in 2-3 months to see where things really stand, not a bunch of rampant speculation please

[Asymptotic]

Was my way of pointing out that he was saying it came from the wrong thing seeing as it comes from Achuka rather than Skirmish.

Achuka H2H are the least of RME99's worries. Have you seen the stuff that's been popping out of Skirmish?