NNI D/C Breaks Lamp Floor

[Yinnyth]

Also, if 2 people lose connection from the run, order lamps become even more of a run-ender if there's 5 of them. NNI should detect that 2 people have lost connection and remove one of the lamps from the order.

[Triffle]

Lamp order isn't as much of an issue as code. Lamp order one person can still possibly hit 2 lamps by themselves, but for code the floor completely breaks and you cannot go up until the person rejoins.

[Yinnyth]

But what if 5 people lose connection and the lamps are "hit at the same time"?

[Demon6324236]

Also, if 2 people lose connection from the run, order lamps become even more of a run-ender if there's 5 of them. NNI should detect that 2 people have lost connection and remove one of the lamps from the order.

Question becomes, which one? Can the game tell which will take the longest to get to and deactivate it? Take out the last in the order? How would that work? Also there would have to be a way to tell which is deactivated, it would suck if the first to be found was deactivated and the person did not know till it was their turn in the order, then they have to find another lamp quickly. Just saying, that one may be a bit more tricky than Code where it can just remove the need for the DCed character to touch it.

But what if 5 people lose connection and the lamps are "hit at the same time"?

If 5 people DC then the run is over anyways, they all lost Embrava and a single DD with Embrava is not going to go very far, unless recasting it is coming up soon and they all make it back in less than 2 minutes, even then... But lets say only 1 person DCs, it would not matter so much, because it is possible for lamps to be close enough for a single person to hit two of them. Even if they are quite far, powder boots allow players to do this as well.



Incase people are not seeing the difference here. Order and Same Time can be competed even if a player DCs, this means even in the event of a disconnection it is actually possible for the party to continue. Code however does not allow you to continue, in the event someone disconnects the entire party is stuck, and must wait for the person to return and touch the lamp before they can continue moving forward. This difference is why it should be changed. Order lamp floors are terrible, they are easily the worst part of Nyzul, the second is Kill All, but Code is worse than either of them if someone DCs, because it can stop the run completely if the person does not return, you can not even leave for your tokens, let alone win.

[Yinnyth]

You cannot complete "same time" lamps if you're down 5 members unless you <pos> hack. Should that one remaining player not be capable of making progress just because his 5 other members lost connection, but are most likely on their way back?

[Demon6324236]

You cannot complete "same time" lamps if you're down 5 members unless you <pos> hack. Should that one remaining player not be capable of making progress just because his 5 other members lost connection, but are most likely on their way back?

If you are down 5 members you have only 1 left, if you have only 1 member left it means everyones Embrava is wiped, and everyone but that one member will be unable to return most likely for roughly 1 & a half to 2 minutes at very least if it were an actual DC, rather than a logout. If that were the case, the run is already lost regardless of completing that floor because the next floor would be far to slow with only a single person, and on top of that, unless the half time mark was near perfectly timed, the people will not have Embrava upon returning, so that would screw them as well.

I covered everything above in my other post though...

If 5 people DC then the run is over anyways, they all lost Embrava and a single DD with Embrava is not going to go very far, unless recasting it is coming up soon and they all make it back in less than 2 minutes, even then... But lets say only 1 person DCs, it would not matter so much, because it is possible for lamps to be close enough for a single person to hit two of them. Even if they are quite far, powder boots allow players to do this as well.

I even explained the solution at the end where Same Time floors can be completed with a player MIA. As I said at the end of my post...

Incase people are not seeing the difference here. Order and Same Time can be competed even if a player DCs, this means even in the event of a disconnection it is actually possible for the party to continue. Code however does not allow you to continue, in the event someone disconnects the entire party is stuck, and must wait for the person to return and touch the lamp before they can continue moving forward. This difference is why it should be changed. Order lamp floors are terrible, they are easily the worst part of Nyzul, the second is Kill All, but Code is worse than either of them if someone DCs, because it can stop the run completely if the person does not return, you can not even leave for your tokens, let alone win.

[Demon6324236]

You cannot complete "same time" lamps if you're down 5 members unless you <pos> hack. Should that one remaining player not be capable of making progress just because his 5 other members lost connection, but are most likely on their way back?

Say I read this in another light (which is why this is a different post) as though you were saying they should all have the equal chance at advancing. It is technically (but not physically within game laws/boundaries) possible for a single person to activate all lamps at the same time, it is also just as possible (but legally) for a single player to activate all lamps in the correct order. It is not however in any way, shape, or form, possible for a single player to activate the lamp on a code floor (with or without going beyond the rules of the game) which is different than the others.

[Rubeus]

the relative odds of 5 people losing connection on a lamp floor are probably pretty slim unless that person is penta-boxing. Also as stated previously, "that 1 person out of 6" isn't going to finish nyzul by himself regardless, so tokens are really the only option. For what it's worth I vote yes, that 1 person SHOULD not make progress. If nyzul was supposed to have an entry requirement of 1 person, it would already, instead of requiring 3. short answer, yes, that one remaining player should not be capable of making progress. Specifically because his 5 other members lost connection.

Scenario: I get a code lamp floor, everybody touches it, then 5 people d/c. I can still go up because we've accomplished that, so I do. "to make progress." the other 5 log back in, and are now stuck on the lamp floor they've already beaten, because I'm no longer there to "reactivate it." and the game reset their data. Either way all you're accomplishing at this point is whining about how unfair nyzul is, because it sounds an awful lot like "nyzul should be a 1 man requirement and lamp floors shouldn't even exist."

But I do agree that code floors are broken in the d/c aspect.

[Demon6324236]

Either way all you're accomplishing at this point is whining about how unfair nyzul is, because it sounds an awful lot like "nyzul should be a 1 man requirement and lamp floors shouldn't even exist."

If you are referring to Yin's post then I believe one of us is taking it the wrong way, so far as I can tell he is making an argument against being able to do it with less people because of DCing because DCing is part of the nature of MMOs themselves, thus not an actual problem with NNI. He is making the point that if everyone should be able to progress in any possible situation where people DC, then shouldn't that one person still be able to continue? Rather than arguing that you should be able to solo it, and they should make it possible. The difference between his remark and what the complaint is about is that the complaint is about a somewhat likely event, where as the chances that 5 people in a party all DC at the same floor, and it happens to be code, are so slim its not worth mentioning, yet, it was mentioned.

If I am mistaken however I do apologies to you both for my mistake.

[NDSI]

Correct, one can get unlucky on a code floor, order is not a problem, neither is same time as you have 20 seconds to light all lamps, also you cannot glitch by having everyone log out on it cause if you have less then 3 members you get ejected from Nyzul just like any other event that requires a minimum number of players.