adieu FFXIV people

[Ravenmore]

So people that are defending 14, what do you think will happen to a game that failed the first time after what SE did 11 and it was making them money. That is what will keep people away from 14, SE doesn't learn from their mistakes and keeps making the same ones over and over. So in a couple of years SE will get it in their heads again to make another MMO and pay for it off the backs of which ever player base is left. So if 14 does take off it's just telling SE they can do it and get away with it.

[Zumi]

So people that are defending 14, what do you think will happen to a game that failed the first time after what SE did 11 and it was making them money. That is what will keep people away from 14, SE doesn't learn from their mistakes and keeps making the same ones over and over. So in a couple of years SE will get it in their heads again to make another MMO and pay for it off the backs of which ever player base is left. So if 14 does take off it's just telling SE they can do it and get away with it.

SE did learn from their mistakes. They had apologized for their mistakes that were made on FF!4, replaced a lot of the lead positions including producer Tanaka. They got a new producer Yoshi-P who seems really enthusiastic about making it the best game he can and works crazy hours as well. If you watched any of the FF14 videos they released they have made a lot of progress on the game and its sharpening up to be a really good game and its up to the standard of the modern MMO.

[Jaall]

So if 14 does take off it's just telling SE they can do it and get away with it.

Exactly what Zumi said, also even if FFXIV doesn't take off SE will try again because that's what game designers do! If every game developer gave up with a failed release we would have a LOT less games than there are now. I know that you will then fire back at me "FFXIV isn't the first fail game" and that is your opinion. Now look at FFXIII. FFXIII-2 was a great game despite the bad publicity with FFXIII which shows SE do learn from mistakes and improve on them as much as they can. FFXIII-2 wasn't fantastic but like I've said, times change, games change, everyone seems to be stuck in the past and can't take change. It's not like FFXI has gone anywhere, you can still play it. Deal with the fact that you can't have everything you want and that every game developer, not just SE, makes mistakes and bad games. Nobodies forcing you to play anything so why should you care?

[Mirage]

Leaving for a beta? What a dumb thing to suggest.

Maybe when the game is released.

[Demon6324236]

I think the topic was made more or less because people will choose to leave FFXI for FFXIV based on the beta most likely. If the beta does not live up to their expectations, they may very well call it quits on FFXIV and just keep going with FFXI, on the other hand if the beta is amazing, they will likely plan to say goodbye to FFXI when the release for FFXIV approaches. I doubt people would actually leave the game for a beta, as it has been said in this thread a few times, however if the beta is good, I can easily see people getting ready to pack their virtual bags in preparation for FFXIV once they see how good the beta is.

[Ravenmore]

Exactly what Zumi said, also even if FFXIV doesn't take off SE will try again because that's what game designers do! If every game developer gave up with a failed release we would have a LOT less games than there are now. I know that you will then fire back at me "FFXIV isn't the first fail game" and that is your opinion. Now look at FFXIII. FFXIII-2 was a great game despite the bad publicity with FFXIII which shows SE do learn from mistakes and improve on them as much as they can. FFXIII-2 wasn't fantastic but like I've said, times change, games change, everyone seems to be stuck in the past and can't take change. It's not like FFXI has gone anywhere, you can still play it. Deal with the fact that you can't have everything you want and that every game developer, not just SE, makes mistakes and bad games. Nobodies forcing you to play anything so why should you care?

You seem to have misunderstood what I was saying. If 14 takes off and becomes a profitable game instead they will pull the same crap again. Things like taking 3 years to finish a expansion while diverting funds to a game that failed the first time is seen as acceptable. That is what will keep people away from 14 and will be brought up the most.

[Jaall]

I dont think anything will change how SE does things. They've always taken years to create expansions and diverted resources to places where there really is no need. I mean they announced FF versus XIII so many years ago I cant remember and still not even a 2nd vid on the game. It took them years to create CoP and ToAU. I don't see why FFXIV would change how SE has been running their games for the past 15 years?

Also it's kinda a win win situation if that's what you're saying. If FFXIV ARR is released and is good, it shows that the money has been used effectively and the time taken to fix it has worked. If it doesn't work then they have a chance to learn, even though i highly doubt they would learn. They have a lot of money and are one of the biggest game developers, moving into other areas such as Tomb Raider, this is only one of their departments. SE will probably always stick by it's business plan because no matter how much of it's audience complains about them, it still seems to be working right?

[Demon6324236]

They have a lot of money and are one of the biggest game developers, moving into other areas such as Tomb Raider, this is only one of their departments.

That is true, but you have to admit, Final Fantasy is Square Enix's flagship game, everything else may be out there with their name on it, but when you think Square Enix, you probably think Final Fantasy. At least, everyone I know does. The point of this being that if their flagship game falters, it can lead to people losing faith in SE, for instance, when FFXIII came out, some people were heavily disappointed, as such it kinda became a black mark on not only the franchise but the company as well, the same way FFXIV did.

Really when you look at it though, it seems as though Square's flagship game is going down hill, all recent installments have been sub-par in todays gaming world, the story just isn't the same magic it once was. Some people, myself included, are starting to think that SE is perhaps losing their touch, no game has matched up to the story of FFX for me, which is my favorite, and it seems as though the direction they have started to head with stories leaves me often confused or at least feeling out of place by compare to before.

I think SE makes great games sometimes, but other times they simply fail to deliver, and they often ignore feedback on how to improve, sometimes they listen though. It seems as though newer games are getting teams of newer people, FFXIII-2 for instance seemed to learn from much of the feedback from the original, and while the game was not perfect, it was a massive improvement, and I feel the same will be said of FFXIV in the end. The game will probably be good, but not perfect, and will still lag behind the bigger players in the MMO market, while keeping a group of fans all to itself, if for nothing more than the Final Fantasy title being slapped on it. I mean in all honesty, this game would probably have been dead by now except its called Final Fantasy, which got it a lot of players to start, and has most likely kept it going over the years.

[Merton9999]

That is true, but you have to admit, Final Fantasy is Square Enix's flagship game, everything else may be out there with their name on it, but when you think Square Enix, you probably think Final Fantasy. At least, everyone I know does. The point of this being that if their flagship game falters, it can lead to people losing faith in SE, for instance, when FFXIII came out, some people were heavily disappointed, as such it kinda became a black mark on not only the franchise but the company as well, the same way FFXIV did.

Really when you look at it though, it seems as though Square's flagship game is going down hill, all recent installments have been sub-par in todays gaming world, the story just isn't the same magic it once was. Some people, myself included, are starting to think that SE is perhaps losing their touch, no game has matched up to the story of FFX for me, which is my favorite, and it seems as though the direction they have started to head with stories leaves me often confused or at least feeling out of place by compare to before.

I think SE makes great games sometimes, but other times they simply fail to deliver, and they often ignore feedback on how to improve, sometimes they listen though. It seems as though newer games are getting teams of newer people, FFXIII-2 for instance seemed to learn from much of the feedback from the original, and while the game was not perfect, it was a massive improvement, and I feel the same will be said of FFXIV in the end. The game will probably be good, but not perfect, and will still lag behind the bigger players in the MMO market, while keeping a group of fans all to itself, if for nothing more than the Final Fantasy title being slapped on it. I mean in all honesty, this game would probably have been dead by now except its called Final Fantasy, which got it a lot of players to start, and has most likely kept it going over the years.

I agree with your sentiment in general, except that the concept of "losing their touch" is nothing new for SE. I think it's simply that they take a lot of risks and like to change things up. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Often it works for a new set of people and alienates others. You can always look at overall sales or some other objective measure, but everyone's story is different.

I bought FF1 in 1990 because it had a crystal ball and swords on the cover. My friends and I soon became obsessed, and were nuts about US 2 and 3 for SNES. Then came VII and I was the only one in my group of 5 RPG fan friends who liked it. The rest proclaimed Final Fantasy "dead" because old faithful Square sold out and made a movie instead of a game to appeal to a larger audience.

My time came with X. It remains the only Final Fantasy game I didn't like and wish I never played. Many others loved it, but it was polarizing, and a shift again for lots of fans.

My point is, they've been doing the up-down, audience-shifting stuff from the beginning. For me the XIV development story is interesting. For the first time they get to redo the failure and see what happens. I'll try it out, but have no intention of leaving XI until I like XIV enough to spend my free time there. It will also depend on whether the people I play XI with will play/switch to XIV as well.

[Mirage]

Merton knows where it's at.