Give 99 relics 20% increased weaponskill damage across the board

[Byrth]

I don't understand how the non-damage based utility of the weapon is relevant to the comparison I was making. To be clear, this was the logical flow:

1) OP proposes a change that will increase the damage done by relic weapons when using any WS, with the justification that relic weapons need the boost to be competitive with other weapons in a DD sense.

2) I respond and point out that, as far as damage goes, many relic weapons do not need a further damage bonus to be at the top of their respective weapon types.

3) You respond that Apoc needs a boost because Ragnarok is better than it, which may be true but:
3a) It is irrelevant to the discussion because an across-the-board WS bonus wouldn't be used to equalize two different weapon types.
3b) It is irrelevant because the proposed change isn't being proposed to help Apocalypse (a relic) compete against Ragnarok (a relic), it's to help Relics compete against non-Relics.
3c) Comparing the two weapons in a DD sense is irrelevant to the thread, but is also irrelevant overall because they serve different roles in DRK's arsenal (lowman/low buff vs. highly buffed).

4) I point out 3c.

5) You respond that Bravura is also a utility weapon, which is true but a non sequitur in this case.

6) My response:
Bravura is inferior in a damage sense to its M/E counterparts, which makes buffs to its damage relevant to this thread. That's why I commented on it. +20% WS damage to Upheaval would probably push Bravura above Conqueror and Ukonvasara in quite a few situations. This and Amano are the main Relics whose position in the hierarchy would be affected by the proposed change. The others are either already the best (and would be pushed further ahead) or are worse than the next best option by more than +20% WS damage.

That's why I said this would overpower some relics (relative to the other competitors in their field). The benefits of this adjustment are that it's simple. The downsides are that it would be totally unbalancing and not address the supposed problem from the OP. Overall, it's not worth doing.

[Metaking]

well i think its about to upgrade from a training bra(vura) to a desirable weapon when the ukon guys ridding berserk be getting 1 shoted, when the ratio change happens(taking 20% less dmg could easily mean victory or X.x). i do think se should let the effect break pdt cap, but I am sure plds.... all 3 of them left, would complain >.>

[saevel]

Umm Byrth are you replying to me or Demon? Cause I kinda agreed with your entire argument and only wanted to demonstrate how Bravura is one of the better relics due to it's utility value in a role that WAR would often be placed in.

[saevel]

well i think its about to upgrade from a training bra(vura) to a desirable weapon when the ukon guys ridding berserk be getting 1 shoted, when the ratio change happens(taking 20% less dmg could easily mean victory or X.x). i do think se should let the effect break pdt cap, but I am sure plds.... all 3 of them left, would complain >.>

I now strongly feel that all serious DD's should invest in a -DT TP set. Once you start using it and learn to hone your reflexes you become like Chuck Norris, only not quite as epic. You ride full damage set until you think the NM is about to do something ~bad~ then quickly switch into DT set. After the the monster has failed miserably to kill you, you switch back and continue to kick it's a$$. It's a completely different skill set to learn but pays big dividends in any situation where something is capable of putting out damaging moves.

The only problem is the big loss of damage from having to drop so much haste gear. That's where weapons like Bravura and Apoc come in handy, they let you cheap and get away with wearing less -DT or less haste while still taking greatly reduced damage.