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    brb. iam going to just leech my Bachelor's Degree and skip Medical schools and go straight into being a DR and work right at the Hospitals
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyheen View Post
    brb. iam going to just leech my Bachelor's Degree and skip Medical schools and go straight into being a DR and work right at the Hospitals
    Nice comparison except that it is actually something you learn, rather than something where many numbers determine your performance. See, leeching something like that would matter because it is something you learn, then put the knowledge to use. In FFXI, you level, gain little knowledge of the actual things you will be doing with the job, and the skills which may or may not be gimped are easily leveled, where as in real life, you go through years of school for a reason, rather than in the game where if you level past a point quickly, you can make it up in a matter of hours, rather than a matter of weeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Demon6324236 View Post
    Nice comparison except that it is actually something you learn, rather than something where many numbers determine your performance. See, leeching something like that would matter because it is something you learn, then put the knowledge to use. In FFXI, you level, gain little knowledge of the actual things you will be doing with the job, and the skills which may or may not be gimped are easily leveled, where as in real life, you go through years of school for a reason, rather than in the game where if you level past a point quickly, you can make it up in a matter of hours, rather than a matter of weeks.

    isn't it this mentality that has brought this game to it's knees? back in the day you actually had to know stuff in order to play this game. these days the majority of players ingame that are vets most likely outnumbers all the new people... they've been [playing for years accomplished a character that took years to get up and have acess to alot more exclusve content or areas due to this expertise. then you have new players coming in going... "oh that's the effecient xp source?" and even older players support it (which btw book burning has far more benifits for well established players) and guess what they do? they flock to it...

    a good example of this is I bet most people don't even know about the moon gate unless they actually looked it up. or that bibiki bay has a place for people around 75 to party up at.


    one of the people from SE said it themselves they feel like this game is no longer garnering "skill" based play and skill takes time to master.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Umichi View Post
    a good example of this is I bet most people don't even know about the moon gate unless they actually looked it up. or that bibiki bay has a place for people around 75 to party up at.


    one of the people from SE said it themselves they feel like this game is no longer garnering "skill" based play and skill takes time to master.
    moon gate pts. bay pts even caedarva,nyzul lsle merit pts most people wont know now. i do miss them type of pts because it took skills to pull off a good exp pt that time. the challenge of everyone working together, mages keeping up with cures DD even with links, pulling off 100+ chains with speed pulls etc.

    i had the most fun that time but now look. most people having hard time fighting easy and DC mobs with 10+ people in pt. it way more leeching/afking going on now. dont care what people say.. at the pre abyssea time if you try to leech/afk a 6 man pt you would be kicked out and laugh at. nothing wrong with the abyssea place just the lvl 30 entry thing
    you guys gonna tell me it was far more leeching going on before pre abyssea?

    times changed a whole lot but it cant be help what done is done. but the time i had before was very fun with the exp pts but it is just
    1-30 book burn/leeching/afking.
    30-99 abyssea leeching/afking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyheen View Post
    i had the most fun that time
    That makes exactly one of you.

    Those camps are still there, the mechanics are still there, the EXP is still there, so why aren't you still doing it the old-fashioned way? Is it because, out of those parties of six people, you were the only one that actually wanted to be there?

    You may have enjoyed it; for me, it was a crushing grind, a means to an end. Why would people care so much about EXP/hr if they weren't in a hurry to stop having to get EXP to begin with?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziyyigo-Tipyigo View Post
    That makes exactly one of you.

    Those camps are still there, the mechanics are still there, the EXP is still there, so why aren't you still doing it the old-fashioned way? Is it because, out of those parties of six people, you were the only one that actually wanted to be there?

    You may have enjoyed it; for me, it was a crushing grind, a means to an end. Why would people care so much about EXP/hr if they weren't in a hurry to stop having to get EXP to begin with?
    i still try doing them pts but all iam saying is with all the low lvls going right into abyssea it hard to do it. so it nothing but leeching 24/7 with people these days. but hey if you guys think that fun then that your 12.95 but dont cry about having no double xp in abyssea because it already broken there and does not need to be added
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyheen View Post
    i still try doing them pts but all iam saying is with all the low lvls going right into abyssea it hard to do it. so it nothing but leeching 24/7 with people these days. but hey if you guys think that fun then that your 12.95 but dont cry about having no double xp in abyssea because it already broken there and does not need to be added
    Define your interpretation of broken. Because personally I would classify a system where a party of 5 has to wait 3 hours for a RDM or BRD to log on as broken. Or never getting an invite because your job was viewed as inferior to other jobs (remember lolDRG and lolDRK before bird parties?)

    Say what you want about abyssea, but it did more than just lower the time required to get a job to max level. It also did away with the chains of only 6 people per party, and only certain jobs can be used in said party to be efficient. It encouraged diversity in party formation with no penalty whatsoever. The more the merrier.

    Hell I can go into altepa and carry an alliance of 17 leeches on my BLU, by myself, and make awesome xp per hour. Whereas in the old system, that 1 gimp DD just killed your xp per hour by not killing fast enough, and putting more stress on the healers since the mob lives longer to deal more damage. Or by not having a RDM and using WHM instead, be prepared to sit around for 5 minutes every 2 fights because the WHM needs to chomp a cookie and rest.

    Abyssea xp is probably one of the most drastic but necessary changes to the xp format that FFXI has needed since day 1. I miss seeing different parts of the world too (like Lab of Onzozo, Moon, Valley of Sorrows, etc.), but when you've taken 3 jobs to 75, you've already seen all there is to see and just want to be done with it by then.
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