Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

[magnius]

well but there are ppl who liked the game beeing like life and make it a chalenge to get something. Thats why we startet this game. And now in the middle of the games live they change the whole foundation of the game, its like Ossy Osborne whould start to sing Jazz or Blues. All his fans whould say "Wtf?" and he whould lost alot of them.
With abyssea SE changed the whole foundation of FFXI and all player thought "WTF?" and alot left and still leaving.
And we want that chalenge ffxi has been for several years, if you want a easy game why not play Guild Wars or WoW, why ruin our great old FFXI by makeing a gimp game with no difficulty out of it.

People have been leaving before Abyssea.

If Ozzy Osbourne started singing Jazz or Blues and he sounded good, his true fans would still be his fans.

[Odintius]

That will still not remove leechers from the game, and ppl who dont want to leech are pushed to leech to be able to stick with the game.

In a way I agree but I don't get pushed in doing something I find way's to make it work. Abyssea is becoming more the core of the game rather it be end game content. Reaching level 30 isn't hard even before all the exp updates really but I agree really don't like leechers in parties I didn't join for someone to benifit off my contribution to the party. Shoot there even 70+ ppl who leeches still by going afk by that dominio npc guy and just refreshing there pages that makes me want to d2 there butt's.

[HFX7686]

Becouse SE cant bann ppl for leeching, but they looking for ways to resolve that matter.

I've not seen a single statement made by SE talking about the Abyssea leeching thing one way or the other.

Could you direct me to a link that states their opinion please? I'm really curious now.

EDIT: Nevermind, read later posts of yours. You didn't see that anyplace. You made it up.

[Alhanelem]

Opinions can't be true or false because it is an opinion.

Opinions can be true or false if they are based on information that is provably true or false.

Changing the level limits for abyssea won't solve any problems. The people you don't like will just find another way, because they really aren't as stupid and careless as some people would like to believe.

Becouse i really hear bad storys, ppl going afk in Abyssea, and why, becouse they learned it that way, by leeching up.

Yeah well those stories (STORIES, not storys) you hear usually aren't true.

I don't know ONE SINGLE PERSON who leveled up their first job by going AFK in abyssea and did not know how to play upon reaching lv90. And even if someone actually did do that, all their combat skills would be <30cap levels, and it wouldn't take long for anyone to discover that they did that. That player would basically immediately be ostracized and wished he didn't do that.

If anyone actually does what people are afraid of, they are the one that will get punished in the end. For all the experienced players who love events but don't like leveling as much as the rest of the game anymore, they are not going to come out of a box opener job or any kind of party leeching and not know how to play. I'm only going to post this one more time:

[SIZE=6]If you don't like people doing this, then don't play with them. Just kick them, keep your party small, leave the party, w/e. No change to the game is needed.[/SIZE]

[viion]

[SIZE=6]If you don't like people doing this, then don't play with them. Just kick them, keep your party small, leave the party, w/e. No change to the game is needed.[/SIZE]

Yeh!! .. ehhh!!! Yeh!!

[magnius]

Opinions can be true or false if they are based on information that is provably true or false.

What you're talking about is a theory which is far and away from an opinion. It is a scientific statement that can be backed up by facts.

You can never prove an opinion to be true or false, which is why this thread has been going on and on. You can however, say your opinion has a favor of the majority, but it still does not make it fact.

[Eligia]

I just restarted after quitting for around 2 years. I got my THF to 30, and NIN to 50 without entering Abyssea a single time, other than to start acquiring stones from the first quest. And this was all within like a week and a half. I don't really understand what people are bitching about. EXP parties are still completely feasible. Either you're lazy and won't build one, or you just need something to cry about. You can even just wait around for an invite. It still takes roughly the same time as the old days. Plus, soloing/duoing etc. is applicable with all the FoV bonuses and buffs.

[Odintius]

What you're talking about is a theory which is far and away from an opinion. It is a scientific statement that can be backed up by facts.

You can never prove an opinion to be true or false, which is why this thread has been going on and on. You can however, say your opinion has a favor of the majority, but it still does not make it fact.

I can agree with this opinion ^^

[Skybrit]

The whole reason SE just raised all the exp lvls in the older areas was to get people back to lvling out there. Many of the parties I have been in during the last rew weeks have gotten 600-800 exp per kill. Of course, the turnover is not as fast as Abyss but its at least 3 times faster than the old days. They know the game is doomed in the long run if people don't get back into the bigger sense of the whole game.

[Pharaun]

They know the game is doomed in the long run if people don't get back into the bigger sense of the whole game.

I really want to know why you assume this. If you look at most other MMOs content gets outdated on a regular basis and it hasn't affected the long term viability of those games.