Thief's Knife upgrades

[Insaniac]

Ring with Latent Effect: Treasure Hunter +1. Latent effect active when Thief's Knife is not equipped. TH should not be tied to a weapon at all.

Problem #2 is the way TH proccing works. For the highest chance of a TH proc we have to... FULL TIME GEAR WITH TERRIBLE STATS!!!!! This should be changed before anything else.

[Kysaiana]

Easiest solution to the Thief Knife problem, in my opinion at least, would be similar to the delkfutt key change a few years ago. Trade knife to some ??? somewhere get a 4th tier of TH. Boom. No more crappy dagger. Only issue is they'd have to make it so you can't just get another Thief knife if you've got the KI or something. Easier solution is to just not use the stupid thing at all considering how useless TH+ seems to be.

[Trumpy]

didnt read all of this but if you did:
Thief's Knife > Thief's Knife +1 > Thief's Knife +2 > Thief's Knife +3 > Level 99 Knife
you would have the same problem with dualweilding. you could potentially have a thf knife +3 and a thief knife +2 if you wanted. what you would have to do is retain the same name like empys and relics and such do so you could only have one.

[Arcon]

Ring with Latent Effect: Treasure Hunter +1. Latent effect active when Thief's Knife is not equipped. TH should not be tied to a weapon at all.

Oh I forgot about that, even though we practically settled on it the last few times we had this discussion. Yes, that would work a lot better than the Magian suggestion. TH on a weapon is retarded.

Problem #2 is the way TH proccing works. For the highest chance of a TH proc we have to... FULL TIME GEAR WITH TERRIBLE STATS!!!!! This should be changed before anything else.

Meh. Unless SE actually makes higher TH matter, this is just as little of an issue as the Thief's Knife.

didnt read all of this but if you did:
Thief's Knife > Thief's Knife +1 > Thief's Knife +2 > Thief's Knife +3 > Level 99 Knife
you would have the same problem with dualweilding. you could potentially have a thf knife +3 and a thief knife +2 if you wanted. what you would have to do is retain the same name like empys and relics and such do so you could only have one.

We know SE is capable of disabling possession of more than one certain trial weapon, as that's already the case for certain weapons (relics, mythics, empyreans). They could just make it so they share the same name and a flag that makes them rare in the sense that they can only have one of them. The ring solution would still be better, although the problem itself is so minor that you may as well just toss your Thief's Knife and be happier with your life.

[saevel]

Just use the augment system. Do some mini-quest, get a KI, trade the dagger to a ??? somewhere, kill the NM and retrieve your dagger. If you like the augments accept, otherwise decline and wait till next JP midnight to redo the quest. Alternatively use synergy augments similar to how abjurations are augmented.

[Kylos]

Just gave out some ideas. Only problem with being able to do a trial for anything, is that the weapon usually has to change it's name to distinguish from the original, which is why it's not as simple as your making it out to be.

Keeping the original thief's knife, while also giving the chance to upgrade it, without giving players the chance to dual wield two seperate TH knives, you see why it's not that simple?

[Arcon]

Just gave out some ideas. Only problem with being able to do a trial for anything, is that the weapon usually has to change it's name to distinguish from the original, which is why it's not as simple as your making it out to be.

Keeping the original thief's knife, while also giving the chance to upgrade it, without giving players the chance to dual wield two seperate TH knives, you see why it's not that simple?

It's no problem at all making trials that do not change the name of the weapon. Many trials are currently of this form. Look at relic/mythic/empyrean trials.

I do not think it's a realistic solution because it's all a workaround for just one weapon, and I don't think SE will go for it.

[Kylos]

It's no problem at all making trials that do not change the name of the weapon. Many trials are currently of this form. Look at relic/mythic/empyrean trials.

I do not think it's a realistic solution because it's all a workaround for just one weapon, and I don't think SE will go for it.

I am all for it. I mean I don't really care how they implement it, so long as the dusty old thing is upgraded. Since the news came through that you need to keep Treasure Hunter gear on to make TH effectiveness proc more, people hate on the Thief's Knife even more.

It is a rare situation for a Thief to be used for anything but Treasure Hunter. The most useful place Thief can be used is Abyssea, and in there TH is not so important if you're just farming chests. It becomes very important when farming NMs for pop items/seals/+2's/Empyrean items. This is what annoys me the most, because I should be allowed to use two DD daggers, while also maintaining my Treasure Hunter.

When the news was announced, a Thief on ffxiah.com noted that he has a Mandau and a Twashtar. So all that work he put into those daggers (said they were both level 99), is negligible, because now he has to full time that TH dagger for the majority of a fight where TH matters. He could have just built a STR Thokcha and saved a ton of time and money.

SE need to either make the Thief's Knife useless, while also giving us another option of Treasure Hunter, or just upgrade it. Whatever is easiest for SE, ideas have been given, it is up to them now. Hopefully they don't just ignore this issue.

What gets me the most, is I used to have people telling me off for full timing the dagger, so I made sure I had a DD dagger to switch into after a Ranged Attack or melee hit. Now I know that's actually counter-productive, I am so glad I didn't decide to build a second STR Thokcha (those geodes are not cheap), but I feel bad for those people who spent millions on a second DD dagger.

[Arcon]

Wrong, he does not have to full-time Thief's Knife. If high TH would actually matter, the argument might be different, but as it stands now, he can apply it once and then leave it at TH7. I don't even own a Thief's Knife anymore (and I didn't even before I got my Mandau), I apply TH6 and leave it at that, and the difference is negligible. The only issue here are the people playing with him, and I feel sorry for him if they're too thick to let him play the way he wants for virtually no downside to them, but it still doesn't make this an issue worth spending any amount of development time on.

Just toss the thing and live a happier life.