Dancer tank gear? Help Me Out!

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Right, but he keeps bad mouthing closed possision like you already have all the eva and acc you need once you hit 90. I'm not trying to put on more, I'm trying to put on what's needed after merits are taken into concideration. That means less gear that has to be eva only. This is what he seems to fail to see.

[Frost]

For the most part, correct. I'm not saying they do NOTHING, but for dancer, you have a tremendously high evasion skill, evasion bonuses, and agility; and most of your standard TP gear adds more to that. The only time you might need more of those is if you're fighting something possessing an accuracy bonus. Typically....

For every level the mob is above you, it gets a 4% hit rate on you. There's nothing you can do about that. Any IT mob gets a guaranteed 40% hit rate on you.

Your B+ Evasion with 2-3 Evasion bonuses, + 1-2 Evasion Daggers and AF3 Pants. You're close to cap in most cases where you're tanking.

So adding more evasion = Either you're wasting your time evading something that mathematically is just going to hit you no matter what you do, or you're evading something that isn't going to hit you to begin with.

Right, but he keeps bad mouthing closed possision like you already have all the eva and acc you need once you hit 90. I'm not trying to put on more, I'm trying to put on what's needed after merits are taken into concideration. That means less gear that has to be eva only. This is what he seems to fail to see.

I'm not 'bad mouthing' Closed Position, so much as I am stating it's not needed. I didn't say it was "Bad", just "Unnecessary".

Highlighted the part that speaks accurately.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Therefore with capped closed possision I could drop gear for something with more potent DD stats while still maintianing tanking. CP also has emity, which makes it a good thing.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

To make it easier on you, I change my topic to "What is DNC DD gear?"

[Frost]

Another angle of argument would be this:

Would you rather evade 7% more hits and fight the mob for x minutes?
Or kill the mob in half the time?

Arguably, killing a mob in half the time is evading 50% of it's hits right?

I mean that's an oversimplification sure, but there's a lot of truth in the example.

Therefore with capped closed possision I could drop gear for something with more potent DD stats while still maintianing tanking. CP also has emity, which makes it a good thing.

You could do that, sure, you could also merit No Foot Rise and learn to use your Finishing moves better; perhaps stun more frequently, that's a really good way to evade attacks. Or Merit Sabre Dance for when you have support.

Still doesn't fix the fact that you're likely going to be close to cap on accuracy and evasion whether of not you have closed position.

Closed Position Does not give emnity btw, been checking and double checking, it's not listed anywhere that it does.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

You could do that, sure, you could also merit No Foot Rise and learn to use your Finishing moves better; perhaps stun more frequently, that's a really good way to evade attacks.

Merited and used frequently.

[Byrth]

Okay, so!

Arguing that Closed Position is irrelevant because most things in the game miss you already is like arguing Double Attack is irrelevant because you kill a lot of the things in the game with one swing. Last I heard we don't gear and merit for old content, we gear for new content and the hardest content. If I felt like meritting and gearing for EP monster fights (like Visions NMs), then I wouldn't even need an evasion build.

On Tier 2 NMs of Heroes content (and some mean Tier 1 NMs) we still have trouble knocking their hitrate down low. If you're going to duo or trio these NMs, it helps if you can strike a balance of damage dealt and hits evaded, especially if you're the only tank and it does hate reset or something. These are the situation where our performance matters the most, and these are the situations where Closed Position helps the most. Again, I'm 5/1/2/2, but there are definitely times that I wish I was 5 CP. Heck, I wish I could 5/5 all the T2 merits.

Plus, it's silly to deem CP merits worthless and claim we cap evade rate on everything without stating the Atma you're using. RR/GH/Siren's Shadow, Dark Depths, or Cloak and Dagger is going to be a different experience than RR/GH/Apoc, though the latter will do better damage.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Arguing that Closed Position is irrelevant because most things in the game miss you already is like arguing Double Attack is irrelevant because you kill a lot of the things in the game with one swing.

You mean saying that things miss me because of closed position and not gear is wrong why?

[Rieul]

As far as gear to tank in, keep the DMG up and Violent Flourish as needed, it really won't matter what you wear in abyssea.
Outside abyssea? Most mobs cower in fear of you at 90.
Put on a SH and any subligar (the pastier the better).

Mmk. My merits in DNC:
Step acc x3
Reverse Flourish x5
Building Flourish x2
Saber Dance x1
Fan Dance x1
No Foot Rise x5
Closed Position x3
Lemme 'splain something. No Foot Rise is not a waste of merits IF used properly.
Say you have 100%TP and 5x steps stored. One might think 'that's too bad'. However… you can Building flourish that and then Striking or Climatic flourish it (depending on where you are/mob/etc), after that you have about 8 seconds to wait for Reverse Flourish and about 54 seconds to WS with a Building boost. So wait about 5 seconds then PK ===> Reverse Flourish ===> Evis (don't ask why PK 1st or I will cry) = happy DNC darkness time.
Some might agree, some might not. Personally I don't give a damn, I just can't stand people being closed minded to different ways about doing things.

[Frost]

Stuff..

Except you only need to evade that which you're getting hit for...

If you can only evade 60% of the time because the monster is guaranteed that level of hit rate, you don't need to gear/merit/etc for 90% evasion, only 60%, and as you said on "New content" usually the mobs are even higher level, guaranteeing an even higher hit rate, lessening the value of Evasion further.

In inverse, what would be the point of adding more accuracy if you're hitting 100% of the time? (Yes I know the cap is 95%, just saying...)

Please don't get me wrong, I know there is a value in evasion. I still use some, and I do speak a little too "Generally". And a lot of this advice is limited to Dancers based on what they have available to them. I said earlier, if a mob has an accuracy bonus, as some do, more evasion does help. And there were four other posts at least that said they use varying degrees of evasion based on the mob. I am not the only one suggesting this.

All I said is people go way overboard on evasion when it's not needed. I.E. if you're evading 60% on a mob ten levels your senior, good, you're capped. Adding more evasion to that isn't going to do anything for you.