Quote Originally Posted by Afania View Post
Actually, no, getting DW while giving up fencer bonus actually make your last stand stronger when you /WAR.

Assuming 200 AGI, 137 STR on COR/WAR with nguul, target VIT 110ish and 16 fSTR2, pDIF at 3.

(165+16+170)x4.5125=1583
1583x3=4749


Without fencer bonus, but with DW, you can offhand another STR sword such as prov sword or Sagasinger, pushes your fSTR2 to 20~23.

With Sagasinger but no fencer bonus:
(165+23+170)x4.4625=1597
1597x3=4790

(165+20+170)x4.4625=1584
1584x3=4752

Even with prov sword, DW still superior to fencer bonus, with Sagasinger the gap gets bigger. And that's just counting WS dmg, no extra TP dmg. Even if you can't melee the target at all, DW still has higher number.
Aluh is a more real offhand option which happens to fit the 20 equation. So I stand corrected you do 3 more damage.

Quote Originally Posted by Afania View Post
As for the usefulness of meleeing, I think it's viable in VW with fana and march, especially lower tier when 1h weapon dmg isn't that bad.
Unless you're eating sushi I would go out and say not really viable in VW beyond Jeuno. As to cities considering when I do those all DD are holding back waiting for one person to call out procs because they die that fast, why would the COR be up there knocking off HP? Maybe for low man situations but otherwise I just don't see it.

Quote Originally Posted by Afania View Post
For lowman content such as limbus/dyna/nyzul, I wouldn't mind more output in those event too. Of course you can argue that COR isn't "needed" in those, but so does any none-mage job. Technically those content can be done with any combination of DD jobs+mage. So it's a nice extra advantage to increase output if someone want to play COR in those content.
Like you said "needed" and "nice" aren't really the same.
Neo-Limbus? Maybe to build pops it's viable, not sure tbh.
Dynamis? I sure hope you're EXPing at which point who gives a crap, if you're there for currency why aren't you /DNC for procs?
NNI? Even with the proposed changes so far it doesn't look appealing for COR.