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    In this particular case, SE does know how to run their own game. You should post in a different thread if you want to talk about poor decisions. Don't worry, there are plenty to choose from, but this is not one of them.
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    Last edited by Mirage; 10-26-2012 at 07:07 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirage View Post
    In this particular case, SE does know how to run their own game. You should post in a different thread if you want to talk about poor decisions. Don't worry, there are plenty to choose from, but this is not one of them.
    Changing something to punish legitimate players without managing to find a way to only punish those who need to be, i.e. gilsellers? lol, that's funny.
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    What do you mean by not access to? Did you not install the second expansion?

    In that case, does that mean your almace is still level 80?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirage View Post
    What do you mean by not access to? Did you not install the second expansion?

    In that case, does that mean your almace is still level 80?
    I never did the quest to get access to the option to get blinders.

    And no. It's level 85.
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    I never did that quest either, still had access to them. Even if I'm wrong, it's not too late to do the quest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trisscar View Post
    I never did the quest to get access to the option to get blinders.
    You don't have to do the quest as in complete it, just start it. Also there are 0 prerequisites to access the quest.
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    don't have access to blinkers? say what?!


    you just need to log the op, you don't need to complete any of them. though i guess it hardly matters now. :\
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    Legitimate players were the target, because legitimate players were farming cruor gil like crazy as well. In the process, gilsellers got a bit of a blow as well. Nothing wrong with any of this.

    Before you ask, yes, I converted a lot of cruor. It is still a terrible thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirage View Post
    Legitimate players were the target, because legitimate players were farming cruor gil like crazy as well. In the process, gilsellers got a bit of a blow as well. Nothing wrong with any of this.
    I don't know if this applies across all servers or was Bismarck exclusive but while all the players who needed jobs leveled were happy enough paying RMT for cleave parties this wasn't something RMT participated in, at least not to the large levels prior to the nerf. Once people stopped wanting to pay for leech spots because they'd all leveled to cap RMT had to find something else and this was it.

    So I disagree with this being targeted toward players, if it was it would have been sooner. This was the easiest way to "stop RMT" regardless of how it affected players. Besides it's not like the players would be mad SE is stopping the RMT which players hate...
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    Far from all leech cleave parties were RMT. While I realize this is second hand info, friends of mine who did participate in them were usually of the opinion that the non-RMT cleave parties were better. Probably due to having better gear and stuff.

    There are legitimate players with capped gil on several mules as a direct result of cleaving for weeks. It wouldn't be a very far stretch to claim that there has been more money generated from cruor grinding than from the old tavnazia npc-buy-sell exploit back in the day. Partially because SE let this go on for a lot longer, though, and did never once even hint towards it being considered an exploit after being told about it several times.

    Additionally, even if RMT didn't actually cleave with an alliance full of rmt multiaccounts to gain cruor, they indirectly soaked up the cruor generated by their paying customers, because a large amount of the gil they paid for cruor parties with were made from cruor. Not always by them directly, but somewhere down the line.

    While I am sure there would always be someone who were willing to pay 100k an hour to be PLed, choosing this path is a lot easier when you know you'll get more than the gil back as cruor in the process. No matter how poor you were, as long as you managed to get 60k cruor somewhere, you could start cleave leeching forever without ever losing gil from it.

    The bottom line is that this issue arose from both RMT and legitimate players. Both generated a tremendous amount of gil out of nothing. Orders of magnitude more than what was drained out of circulation through NPCs.
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    Last edited by Mirage; 10-26-2012 at 10:18 AM.

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