Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

[Zeitzone]

We're discussing our disagreement in this thread.

In the other thread, we discussed our agreement, while some other people discussed their disagreement. Over time and much discussion, those other people stopped posting about their disagreement, and the remaining people supported each other.

Now something similar is happening in this thread. Some people are agreeing with the thread and other people are disagreeing, and we're discussing our differences.

Yeah but its more flaming than discussing.
Its just like i go on the street with 5 of my friends, search for a lonely person and start to bother him/her. All my friends will be on my side and he will be on his side alone, maybe he has luck and a passanger comes by and helps him.
Or he sees alot ppl are against him/her and stays quiet becouse he/she doesnt want to be draged into it.

Same happens here, mostly in such thread win ppl who have online friends at hand and are very agressive persons who think that only they have right and noone else. So thats us. Me, you, ans the others in here.
Most ppl think after a while "wtf why do i ever bother with those ...", and stop posting becouse they see that its meaningles to argue with ppl who do not accept any other sight.
So this here is flaming and nothing else. A discussion is made between ppl who can change the situation itself.
We cant.

[Kazen]

Your posts are incredibly difficult to read, is it possible you can spend an extra 2-3 minutes to make them a little more readable? That little red line under words means that they're not spelled correctly and by right clicking (or shift click for mac) you can select the correct alternative to make it a lot more readable.

I agree with the other guy however, discussion is when 2 opposing thought processes come to talk which in this case is in the form of a discussion.

[Nacht]

Yeah but its more flaming than discussing.

I believe some of us were attempting to correct erroneous statements. The following is a summary of certain excerpt of the previous pages.

There were statements including (paraphrased) "only new players like leeching," which was an incorrect assumption. In fact many players both new and old enjoy leeching.

There were statements involving (paraphrased) "once you finish leveling all your jobs to 90, there's nothing to do," when in fact there are plenty of things to do at level 90.

There were statements implying that activities prior to reaching level 75 were more fun than activities conducted after reaching level 75. This is in fact an opinion, and we were expressing our opinion of a contrary nature.

Now, I won't argue that we were all being civil about it, but that goes on a person to person basis.

So this here is flaming and nothing else. A discussion is made between ppl who can change the situation itself.
We cant.

Lock thread then. None of us can change the situation

[Zeitzone]

And Locking htread is not in my power eighter, but yes, Forummaster plz lock the thread.
Anyways in German Forum the level cap 75 Abyssea wins, most germans want it.

[Mrbeansman]

And Locking htread is not in my power eighter, but yes, Forummaster plz lock the thread.
Anyways in German Forum the level cap 75 Abyssea wins, most germans want it.

Then you can go get some german friends and go back to whacking colibris.

[Komori]

Oooh, so just because it won in the germans section means it should be put on everyone.

[Zeitzone]

Oooh, so just because it won in the germans section means it should be put on everyone.

No, and it wasnt me who opened this thread, but it shows that ppl can be different opinion too, and that the site your represent isnt everywhere as strong as here. Becouse it looks like you already scared away from this Thread all ppl not your opinion by endlessly flaming on them till theyre gone.
There is a huge difference in this Forumbetween German and English way of discussion, while English discussion looks alwasy like flaming till the oponet says "wtf my time is to precieus for this"
The posts in the German section are really more like normal discussion, less pushing on those with different opinion.

Anyways I have been in german forums with the same bad Flaming preasure too.
But here is it more peacefull.

[Kazen]

That's a new one, I haven't flamed a single person in this thread. I have provided logical thought trains and I've been very open to any form of debate.

[hiko]

if you want lvl70+ aby==>http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...ll=1#post37146

[Zeitzone]

I apologize that was a little overboard however I personally don't have a problem with the way things are currently, I think level 30 is fine.

That's a new one, I haven't flamed a single person in this thread. I have provided logical thought trains and I've been very open to any form of debate.

Please remove that first spelling up there, i think it could be a reason that they bann you, and i dont want that.
Well for me you have shown no logial thoughts, you only say that you want it that way, where is there a logical thought?
You gave me not a single reason i could accept to say: Ok, maybe you are right, maybe we can leave it like it is.
As long i get no reason makes me think that way it isnt logical.