Legion, current playerbase and endgame content

[saevel]

Saeval, you only need to clear the first wave of the 4 starting chambers to do Mul, which takes <5 minutes after buffing with a good group. Our time record so far is about an 1:15 from our gather time to clearing Mul. On average I'd say it takes us about as long to do Legion as to get a group together and do Pandemonium Warden.

Ehh I figured people would want to stay in and try to farm what little gear is in the lower ranks. I'm currently waiting to see what the expansion brings to determine if it's worth it or not, would hate to waste a ton of time / effort on stuff that is quickly outclassed. Just remember what gear this guy made in Abyssea vs what Tanaka had around before.

[Zirael]

No one kills Pandemonium Warden anymore or I'd consider afterglowing Terpsichore! The weapon doesn't turn DNC into a demigod, but DNC is a job that thrives on swag so I think it's pretty justified. If you guys figure out a way triple-box PW, let me know, lol.

On my server there's a group shouting daily for ADL 4-7x~ kill, offering all but marrows as freelot and they seem to be gathering enough people to pull it off every time. If people are willing to help you get 55-105M in exchange for a chance of lotting junk from ADL, I can't imagine anyone having trouble gathering 6 shouted people to take down PW, which actually drops decent atma and sellable town gear. 150~ kills sucks, but I'd see bigger bottleneck in tedious popset making, rather than gathering people for the final fight. Having infinite patience/time, you can pretty much 'solo' the trial.

[Afania]

Ehh I figured people would want to stay in and try to farm what little gear is in the lower ranks. I'm currently waiting to see what the expansion brings to determine if it's worth it or not, would hate to waste a ton of time / effort on stuff that is quickly outclassed. Just remember what gear this guy made in Abyssea vs what Tanaka had around before.

That's pretty against the concept of MMO, gear will always get outclassed. More important thing is to experience the event while ppl still do it. It's actually a pretty fun event if gathering ppl(on top of dealing with old member quitting FFXI everyday and new member kept making mistake due to lack of experience)isn't such huge pain in the ass.

If Legion gear really get outclassed, that means it will just be even harder to gather a group to do it than it is now. I want more ppl to do legion so we can get enough to enter, not less ;(

[Demon6324236]

Some gear from Legion will likely never be beaten for certain jobs. Part of the list I gave for instance included Abjurations. Iaso Head is the best Curing head there is, it even tops the AF3+2 head for WHM but is for most mage jobs, including RDM & SCH. Items like that I don't think will ever be surpassed honestly. I mean Arka IV+Heka's+Iaso Mitra=50% Cure Potency with -24% Cure Cast Time (so the Mitra is augmented) and thats just 3 pieces of gear. However that doesn't change the fact that in time Legion will be even harder to get people for because the amount of gear that is truly at the top, and worth the effort, is limited. Almost all current content faces the danger of people losing interest once the expansion & new content is released because it all requires Alliances, and as time goes on, finding 18 people to do it will get more & more impossible.

[Afania]

Some gear from Legion will likely never be beaten for certain jobs. Part of the list I gave for instance included Abjurations. Iaso Head is the best Curing head there is, it even tops the AF3+2 head for WHM but is for most mage jobs, including RDM & SCH. Items like that I don't think will ever be surpassed honestly. I mean Arka IV+Heka's+Iaso Mitra=50% Cure Potency with -24% Cure Cast Time (so the Mitra is augmented) and thats just 3 pieces of gear. However that doesn't change the fact that in time Legion will be even harder to get people for because the amount of gear that is truly at the top, and worth the effort, is limited. Almost all current content faces the danger of people losing interest once the expansion & new content is released because it all requires Alliances, and as time goes on, finding 18 people to do it will get more & more impossible.

That's hard to say, if the new direction game is heading wants to outdate gear faster than currently is, then it may really get outdated. Although personally I don't like new event outdates old gear every 3 months, many WoW player complained about it, that "you feel like you never do endgame before when they outdate old gears and stand on same level as newer players". I'd rather have certain piece of gear stays meaningful(in terms of performance of course). That you time you spent in this game should be more than just an experience, but certain trophy that stays after every update too.


Regarding finding ally of 18, finding a VW ally is 100 times faster and easier to 18/18 than legion. I can go to PJ and do a T3 /shout, and I promise that ally will fill up in 30 min~1hr. I can go to PJ and do a Bismarck/Rex/Prov/shout, and it's going to fill up in 30 min~1hr too, last Prov /shout pt I made it filled up in less than 30 min, and I still got /tell after we were full.

Does Prov and VW gives better reward than legion? Certainly not. The only Prov reward I ever got that I can use is just sword/Wanion belt/T.abj hands, everything else I want never drop. And I do WAY more prov than legion. I never get any body/cell from Kaggen and Akvan, I got Toci from Pil after 120+ kills, but that's the only body I got in gold chest from all that T3 I've done. I never get any HQ dagger from qilin, and out of 300~500 Zilart T3 I've done I only got 6 pouchs 34 metal(avg 5 metals per pouch D; ) total and that's not even good gil. Most of the VW drop are not super awesome game breaking gear too. Most of the VW gears are nothing but situaional idle piece, and most can be replaced with better ones. Some are WS piece for a few WS, and glowing dagger is pretty much only good for none magian jobs. Most of VW armor are outclassed after Nyzul v2 and Legion HQ augment come out, and majority of VW weapons are nothing but glowing toys(besides glowing GK I think).


So why does VW ally still fill out fast and legion ally hard to 18/18? Despite VW ex/rare isn't THAT good and gil you earn from it isn't THAT awesome? Personally I can never understand why ppl would rather do Prov and get nothing, than do legion for higher chance to get something.

I think one of the reason is simply just because VW is easy, so anyone can do it. When it's easy and accessable to the majority, and doesn't require much concentration, dealing with attendance, dealing with wipe, majority of player tend to do this, even if the reward isn't as good. Some VW requires higher output to have smooth run, such as Rex and Bismarck. In that case ppl just buy weakened items and get it done.

Some ppl told me, outright in my face, that they don't like legion because:

1. They don't like to wipe/fail, and legion has higher chance to wipe/fail if one person make mistake. They'd rather go back to dyna farm or VW all day for less reward than do legion which requires higher concentration level and higher chance to fail.

2. They want to be able to lot ex items on 1st run, instead of collecting points via attendance. Note that all our rare are sell split, so it's actually a lot friendlier to newer member. But unless I change rule to everyone seacom 1 item(and that may cause more older member to leave), it's hard to convince new member to stick for multiple runs because they want items right away.

3. Death of elitistism play style: Majority of player still prefer dyna. Although Dyna probably offers better reward/effort ratio, but it doesn't give you some of the better gear in other slot that's not weapon. If they already have a relic, they farm 2nd relic, if they have 2 relics, they farm 3rd relic. Legion reward are there to make your 1 job stronger and push your job to elite tier, but majority of player isn't into elite play style. They don't care about getting a duplus grip for their DD, nor getting L.head for their WHM. They'd much rather want more relic for more jobs despite their WHM only have 30% cure potency and their relic/empy DD doesn't parse high.

Also, having elite geared job have little to no impact in other event except legion. You can win prov with gimp DD and gimp WHM, you can win VW with gimp DD and gimp WHM, you can win NNI with gimp DD and you can certainly do every lv 75 content/Meebles/old and new limbus with gimp DD and gimp WHM, so why bother to gear your WHM with something like L.head when your WHM already functional with 30% cure potency? Why bother to get a duplus grip for your DD when you can already win with Pole grip or even Uther's?? I pt with countless Uther's DD in VW T3 everyday and still win!


Some ppl are interested in legion, but they either don't have right jobs, or not going to commit to an event and would rather just come and go(which obviously just makes the event harder if ppl come and go every time). Some ppl may be interested in items, but as soon as they have to stick around to get enough point to lot, they would rather not do it and give up on the items.

It's just that, post Abyssea era, on top of majority of FFXI player no longer a student and start to have jobs/family, old big HNMLS mentality became minority. Gear your job to elite level by doing hardcore event, stick in a group and pop every event, wait until you get enough point so you can lot items, can't just come and go randomly, have to play a job you don't like or have to prepare certain gear set for event and so on, those factor aren't very friendly for majority of players nowadays. That's why I believe unless FFXI playerbase increase, which I doubt will happen, this sort of event shouldn't require this many players. SE can make the gear a lot better all day, but doesn't mean majority of player will bother with them when they don't care as much.

And all the elite DD I know of, pretty much just quit FFXI and go to XIV or GW2 when they got everything they want in this game due to lack of goals. Leaving this event even harder to gather ppl.

SE either need to make reward/effort ratio better than Dyna, or just make the event requires less player.

[Mahoro]

It's just that, post Abyssea era, on top of majority of FFXI player no longer a student and start to have jobs/family, old big HNMLS mentality became minority. Gear your job to elite level by doing hardcore event, stick in a group and pop every event, wait until you get enough point so you can lot items, can't just come and go randomly, have to play a job you don't like or have to prepare certain gear set for event and so on, those factor aren't very friendly for majority of players nowadays. That's why I believe unless FFXI playerbase increase, which I doubt will happen, this sort of event shouldn't require this many players. SE can make the gear a lot better all day, but doesn't mean majority of player will bother with them when they don't care as much.

I'm fine with one event in the game rewarding this list of criteria.

[Monchat]

Iaso Head is the best Curing head there is, it even tops the AF3+2 head for WHM but is for most mage jobs, including RDM & SCH. Items like that I don't think will ever be surpassed honestly. I mean Arka IV+Heka's+Iaso Mitra=50% Cure Potency with -24% Cure Cast Time (so the Mitra is augmented) and thats just 3 pieces of gear.

I agree but it falls in side grades category (small upgrades or invo -1). You already have cure casting time -% on asceco's choker, zenith pumps, heka's, af3+2 legs; add to that max merits, fast cast on earring, ring , belt, cape and SJ, and my whm casts cures at 20% of the gauge or so (almost instant). There is probably a lower cap too.

Also it's the same pb with the new abjurations. The NQ are worthless. The HQ are slight upgrades, and some of the augmented HQs are good. so you have to find an HQ of the corresponding cursed item then pray to get the HQ3 augment. That's plain retarded.

Edit1: and I forgot there is also fast cast +1 on grip and a new -2% cure time grip from the AH.

Edit 2: switching arka IV with arka I im still casting at 20%.

[Demon6324236]

Well the Iaso Mitra itself is only really a Side Grade on WHM, admittedly 1% cure potency & 10 Healing Magic which doesn't make it amazing. However that only goes for WHM, when looking at options for RDM or SCH the Paean/Iaso Mitras are the only Cure Potency head pieces, making them very important for those jobs. I myself play RDM as a melee job as much as a mage, and so far as I know Iaso is actually a requirement to cap Cure Potency without needing to change out your weapons, and sacrifice your TP. Admittedly I know some of the gear is just a bunch of side-grades but really in the end it becomes side-grades for certain jobs, and upgrades for others, however I feel Iaso Mitra is probably the best case of this I know of due to my main knowledge being about mages, or more specifically, RDM.

[Waldrich]

Square Enix answer: We created this event to make u guys mindlessly farm it while we do our expansion + other revamped events.

[Monchat]

the expansion will equally suck. Or you mean they have been working on adoulin since WoTG?