To Dev's, are there any plans to fix Neo Nyzul Isle?

[Caketime]

Why do people keep bringing up limited job viability as an issue with Neo-Nyzul Isle?

Compared to Legion or any event where a !! over a monster's head is desired, Neo-Nyzul Isle is open to a huge number of arrangements of a huge number of jobs. Two spots are occupied by Scholars, but the other four are open to almost anything that hits things with things and benefits fully from Embrava.

The huge number of relatively weak enemies makes Neo-Nyzul Isle a walk through the park, naked in April on Free Hotdog Day, for one-handed melee compared to Legion.

Some jobs are definitely left out, but again, there are very few events in all of FFXI that lovingly accept all jobs. An event where a Blue Mage or a Thief can wail on stuff in the same party as a Dark Knight or a Warrior is a pretty open event.

Not to say that Neo-Nyzul Isle doesn't have issues, but it flummoxes me that stuff about jobs keeps coming up in the complaints.

The issue keeps coming up in complaints because LS leaders have it in their heads the only way to do the event is with heavy DD and 2x SCH. My LS leader told me to level SAM for NNI or I wasn't going with them, so I lol'd and still haven't finished soloing SAM to 99 yet or gearing it and I don't plan to. I find it rather boring.

In a game with 20 jobs the community is taking 4 jobs to nearly every event and destroying it. So 1/5th of the game's population is able to do these events, and anyone else who wants to do them has to either level SCH, or gear up SAM/WAR/DRK or gtfo. Call it a red herring all you want, it's still exclusionary content.

[Mirage]

Maybe they should just buff the weak jobs so that they are strong enough for NNI instead?

[Caketime]

But that would make sense.

[Sp1cyryan]

Oh you. All of my jobs are displayed on the AH website if you really care to look at it and leave a snide comment. I play BST because of my odd work hours and time schedule, properly gearing a solid DD is a massive time investment and I just don't have enough hours in my day to work on it effectively.

No, it is not. You can quickly gear a solid DD very well. I took a SAM friend to NNI for his first time last week. Had the TP bonus GK, AF3+2, or AH (miekera-oto etc) gear mostly. Did we win? Yup. Granted you just need a single friend or the ability to dual box a second account and just do it all yourself. Even with a work schedule there is no reason you can't camp the NMs for a Masamune/Almace/etc or solo dynamis for 8 months casually not going every night. If you just do not feel like it there are always magian weapons too for DRG DRK and SAM that are not hard. You have a LS, but perhaps you need a new one.

Plus it's my favorite job, kind of reminds me of pokemans.

PUP is my first and favorite job and I know not to take it to Nyzul, but that is okay because I have other jobs I can go on. The secret being I have only leveled two new jobs on Spicy since abyssea came out, when was it? Two years ago? Sounds casual doesn't it? Shhh, don't let the secret out of the bag though. No one needs to know about some casuals not going with 'cookie cutters' easily doing this event. It might just shatter perceptions, but then again of course not because people just don't want an event they have to try more at. Should just dbox everyone the gear now so they can be happy.

Tablet. I've got a couple of options for voice chatting, but most of the voice chatting in my LS channel is carried out when our DDs are drunk and loud so it's mostly there for comedic purposes.

So what was the point of talking about how SE should make a chat channel for PC and lolBox users?

In a game with 20 jobs the community is taking 4 jobs to nearly every event and destroying it. So 1/5th of the game's population is able to do these events, and anyone else who wants to do them has to either level SCH, or gear up SAM/WAR/DRK or gtfo. Call it a red herring all you want, it's still exclusionary content.

Hey, someone got specific with this cookie cutter nonsense. Let's tear this one down while swaying no one.
Wish it was someone besides Caketime, but I will take it.
Before I get started too tell your LS leader to not be so narrow minded and include at least BLU and DRG in those three jobs he demanded.

First off something needs to be understood. You can win without embrava. You can put in place of the SCHs a healer/buffer (RDM, WHM, SCH) and a Bard (lamp whore) and 4 DDs.

Is it optimal? No, but it can win. No matter how many combinations of jobs for an event there is always an optimal set up. No matter what event you are in there is an optimal set up. People need to stop confusing cookie cutters with optimal set up. If the someone wants an optimal set up for an event you can either go or take charge and go yourself to the event with the set up you want. No one forces you to do anything in this game.

Now, for first three DDs you can bring to nyzul you have DRK, WAR, SAM, BLU w/ requiscate, MNK, DRG.

For the fourth DD spot if you wanted to you could take these jobs: COR w/ last stand, DNC, emperian NIN, relic THF, k club RNG, relic BST, or even a relic WHM meleeing.

SO, that leaves out PUP (unless it has mythic), PLD, SMN, BLM. Those damn cookie cutters with their 16/17 out of 20 jobs able to come to an event.

However, yes, yes I know what you are saying. "Not everyone can get a k club or relic" while that is not technically true lets subtract those jobs.

So we have about 13 jobs that can go to nyzul out of 20. Such a cookie cutter event.

There are people who have very successful statics who have a THF come along. I personally will not even take THF to VW with me, but you get the point.

Overall, there are a lot of people who sell the gear to others and win with only five actively participating. To that extent any job in this game can go to Nyzul as their 6th.

This is not exclusionary content. This is content people want an optimal set up for even though they can actually win without it. If you have a problem with a group not wanting you then here is the shocker. You can make your own group. Who knew right?

[Kitkat]

First, to start off: I have 10/15 pieces of Nyzul gear. The group I went with primarily went with 2-3 blu, 2 sch, 1-2 drk. We actually had a very nice success rate (prior to switching out 2 members who either didn't bring meds as necessary, Dc'd during event, or slowed speed down of which were all 2hand DD with relics...go figure) prior to breaking up due to people not showing consistently and running into cheaters who compromised the rest of us. Basically got to the point most of us didn't trust anyone we didn't know personally since SE doesn't wear blinders and will indiscriminately ban not just guilty players but those associated within the same party/alliance. Do I care I'm not 15/15? No, cause I wouldn't use any of the pieces I didn't get and the set bonus doesn't make up for other gear slot choices in particular builds. Moving on....

Does the content need to be adjusted? This is up to some very particular insights on the event in general. The fact that it relies heavily on Embrava being on your DD's is the main nail in the coffin. The content on the other hand is not exceedingly difficult, but it does require that you are a decently-to-well geared player and a competent one as well.

Speaking from legitimate completion of the content it will require you use food, it will require you know how to effectively use gear, spells, ws, meds to your benefit, and it will require that you rely on a decent amount of luck (that you don't get too many kill all floors with HNM, or too many lamp order floors). That being said it is not the most "casual player" friendly since it does require that someone has mid-to-high range gear option available.

Making it a "speed run" type event does have its points and is somewhat enjoyable, but it would make more sense to give players the option to not require the speed run mechanics and instead lower the overall drop rate to compensate. By this I mean you still keep the current build of Neo-Nyzul as an option for certain players, but for those that are "casual" you give them the option to climb it like old nyzul. In this old-style Nyzul you remove the fl100 100% drop rate and possibly make the various KI drop rates less than 100% but greater than 60%. This would still give people who don't want to to speed runs, or can't seem to make the speed runs, work in their advantage without making it too easy to get the prize either.

These are just hypothetical drop rates on items/KI and would be open to further interpretation by Devs, but at least having the option for the casual end of the spectrum would up the overall popularity without compromising the distribution of the gear at the same time. It would just require that the devs put more effort into the content....which they should have done in the first place.

[MarkovChain]

Why do people keep bringing up limited job viability as an issue with Neo-Nyzul Isle?

Embrava and perfect defense have been the bane of the game since it was released, endgame content now systematically includes mobs that can kill you faster than AV could at 75, it's completely stupid. The reason SE is not going to ajust NI right now is because they cleverly analyzed the main complaints that people have towards the game in their census.

ADL/nyzul/voidwatch/legion = plenty of complaints that you can't kill stuff the normal way. All this comes from either temps or PD/embrava.

it results in job imbalance, systematical use of certain jobs (HELLO SMN and SCH in legion, ADL and nyzul, this leaves only 4 free spots and those have to be DDs)

The main root of the problem is perfect defense and embrava. Once fixed, if nyzul only had random luck factor it would not be as bad ; although they deserve a giant facepalm for not adressing the lamp order "bug" earlier.

With this into consideration, the ajustement I gave previously (F100= %drop rare, each boss drops 1 shard, 100 shard needed) will balance the event. Needless to say that with no embrava you are very unlikely to win even F80. Thus with the perspective of embrava nerf, making F20,40,60 important is going to be a necessity.

Also spicyryan is trying too hard to justify an event that was badly designed from start and everyone dislikes (see the census) and cannot be won legit without cheating somehow.

[Rambus]

People are still defending NNI? It's a horribly designed event and you all know it, lamp order floors and zerg tactics don't showcase your skill, it just showcases your willingness to jog on a hamster wheel for shinies.

I was shocked reading the posts here till I saw this. Yay for someone that actually thinks.

The reason it gets defended by a small portion of people is because theyve found it to be winnable, losing to random bad luck is something you have to overlook. Wanting SE to change the bad luck/obstacle element of NNI is about the same as asking for the gear to be handed to you a silver platter. I dont have an exceptionally high rate of victory on this content either and i have no sets of nyzul gear done yet. But the content is beatable. What gets me is why everytime i go to the portal, i see perle drgs and wars, with a whm, or ninjas, and they think they will win with such slow output. Then they wipe, lose, whatever comes about from it, then they come here and rage about how the content sucks and its too hard. Back before abyssea this game had setups and organization for content, its also a piece of content you cannot do everyday, so its not like lvling a job for it is so omg bad. Im glad the game is back to setups and organized job layouts for stuff like this. Running into every bit of content and zerging it with no effort is boring as hell. Say what you like, at the end of the day all the ranting in the world will change nothing.

Like relics and 'endgame gear' now? What happened to the game anyway. Does not hurt to ask for a reasonable event.

[Rambus]

The only places where you need high powered DD are Boss floors or floor 60+ leader / kill all floors. Those places then to have NMs with lots of HP that hit really hard.

We've won with various setups depending on who needed the gear that day.
Our super group / static that consistently won was
SCH
SCH
WAR (Rag)
WAR (Ukon)
THF (Mandau)
BLU (Almace, me)

Ride bergressor and eat meat while running around killing everything. We found a good BLU (read: not an abyssea / voidwatch proc onry BLU) to be invaluable. Requiscat and various damage types are helpful on floors with undead or flan NMs. That and BLU's can destroy EP~EM monsters while also being able to stun most NMs (not boss's though).

hey guys lets call a causal event that requires people to have emp,mythic, relic weapons while demanding 2 schs have 500 enchanting magic..


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Can someone explain what Tanaka's RNG means?

[Plasticleg]

hey guys lets call a causal event that requires people to have emp,mythic, relic weapons while demanding 2 schs have 500 enchanting magic..


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Casual events are [a], voidwatch, and neo-dyna.

But again, are you honestly looking for casual content in FFXI?

[Mefuki]

Honestly, what I wish they would do with NNI is make it more like old Nyzul. I want to be able to shout for a group and get a decent win rate, like old nyzul.