Pet th - Just hear me out

[Zagen]

Why? Because they don't need it.

Same logic applies to other jobs not needing /THF.

Heck for me the only appealing part of /THF for DNC/THF soloing in Dynamis is Flee and Sneak Attack. Both increase the overall gain in currency than TH2 does as it alone came out to about 1 more coin at best.

[Nawesemo]

Same logic applies to other jobs not needing /THF.

meh... but bst has it's thf 2 already, and that's good enough, it's as goofy an idea that blm get thf traits to spells, or main war having thf 2 traits to any one of their job abilities.

I want alot , I shouldn't get alot of it. I know it, and so do they.

if no one was arguing against it, everyone would scream in unison that it's a great idea, and well... it just isn't.

Balance is as balanced as we can make it, and this isn't the way.

but hey, I'm not s.e. they could give it to them tommorow and well, no skin off my nose, other than loosing a little more faith in the everly echo'd "balance".

(but if they do get it back I can think of a whole list of stuff I'm going to ask for and call everyone who disagrees with me ignorant, and greedy and illogical and get my way too.)

I don't think they will, but hey, I'm wrong often so others can be right.

[SNK]

No, it was a bug that needed to be fixed and was only glaringly obvious when Asuran Fists spam became popular.

That sort of circular logic could be applied to Dipper and Falcorr's Treasure Hunter being nerfed.

[Zagen]

(but if they do get it back I can think of a whole list of stuff I'm going to ask for and call everyone who disagrees with me ignorant, and greedy and illogical and get my way too.)

I don't think they will, but hey, I'm wrong often so others can be right.

This logic I can agree with, I'm in favor of buffs over nerfs. That said correctly tested buffs.

If SE and not the player base was concerned about Yuly/Falcorr's TH affecting drops they wouldn't have given it TH3 off the bat they would have said TH1 and we see what happens without telling the players. That however wasn't what happened, SE introduced a pet with TH3 base because it was a THF and they didn't care about drop rates at the time. The player base cried about BST in Dynamis because it had TH3, SE nerfed TH on pet and guess what BST is still there. In other words the nerf failed at what it aimed to do which was make the overall player base happy, just like most nerfs.

[FrankReynolds]

Balance grasshopper, balance.

BTW, I think you don't know what your arguing for/against. I am anti more bst pet thf. You in favor. I am opposed because well, yall bst are insisting bst farm currency well, and if that's the case, adding more thf will only enhance that and any other farming, without the bst needing to /thf, and not giving up anything, like all other jobs do to gain the thf 3. It is not something i agree with. You... Oppose my reasoning, fair enough, but I'll be here all day telling you that its as silly as a blm wanting thf 3 added to thunder 5.

You keep saying this stuff, but it's not true. BST has to give up damage on their pet just like blu has to sacrifice spells, just like rng... has to hit a button... Other jobs get TH just from equipping a piece of equipment one time. The whole "BST doesn't have to sub thf" argument is completely shot to hell. It has no basis. BST simply had a slightly higher level based on them having a thief pet where as none of these other jobs with access to level 1 have anything related to thief about them and far more going for them in the way of procs.

[Nawesemo]

You keep saying this stuff, but it's not true. BST has to give up damage on their pet just like blu has to sacrifice spells, just like rng... has to hit a button... Other jobs get TH just from equipping a piece of equipment one time. The whole "BST doesn't have to sub thf" argument is completely shot to hell. It has no basis. BST simply had a slightly higher level based on them having a thief pet where as none of these other jobs with access to level 1 have anything related to thief about them and far more going for them in the way of procs.

Lol aside from me not favoring thf 3 on a pet, and you wanting it, we pretty much agree. Bst has thf 2, does well when its used, gives up no sub job to get it, nothing from any other aspect of their job any more than any other to gain thf 1 ( the jobs that can equip it) and Blu sucks. (Read blu is the spoiled rich kid everyone uses as an example as an exception to the rule), ....rng.... Lol seriously... Yeah, i hope s.e never gives into go go group think, this is a bad idea.

[Komori]

Your posts only half make sense Nawesemo, and BST only has TH1.

[Nawesemo]

Your posts only half make sense Nawesemo, and BST only has TH1.

o. well, that's more credit than I've been getting so thank you.
/blush

[Caketime]

but you would still retain your choice of /sub, everyone else would need to /thf, to get what your advocating, ...bst would get it as part of the main job and not sacrifice their choice of sub. Pretending like your choice of gear is giving up something is goofy, mages change gear to enhance their spells.... They're giving something up to make their spells more potent? No.... But they do to gain thf 3, their sub. Bst has thf traits on yuly, and thats good enough, too much to a capable job in my opinion. Wanting thf 3 added to yuly is a lot like a blm wanting it added to thunder 5. Kinda goofy.

My sub choices are limited to what can ensure survivability. We talked about this earlier in the thread, if I were to sub THF then I'd lose out on ALL other utility that a sub brings plus I can't wear a Taru sash, whereas most other jobs wouldn't be in the same "completely screwed" position. BLM doesn't have any problems subbing THF because you can still easily keep yourself alive and maintain massive damage output, and you also have the benefit of being friendly to a group. I have to do all of this solo or with a BST bro to expedite the kill process, which doesn't actually bother me despite your insistence, but it is less efficient to quite a large degree. It's OK for you to be efficient, but not for me is what I'm getting from your posts.

As for gear, it actually does greatly effect my performance depending on what I'm wearing, and there are several pieces that have to be fulltimed (barring WS macros etc.) which take up valuable gear slots for otherwise much better pieces, and you only have to gimp it up for the initial hit. It's OK for you to be efficient, but not for me, I have to bring a friend or go without heals and even then I have an inferior TH level. If we're arguing fairness, how is that fair? Or is it OK that it's more fair for you and I should just stfu and level BLM?

[Nawesemo]

My sub choices are limited to what can ensure survivability. We talked about this earlier in the thread, if I were to sub THF then I'd lose out on ALL other utility that a sub brings plus I can't wear a Taru sash, whereas most other jobs wouldn't be in the same "completely screwed" position. BLM doesn't have any problems subbing THF because you can still easily keep yourself alive and maintain massive damage output, and you also have the benefit of being friendly to a group. I have to do all of this solo or with a BST bro to expedite the kill process, which doesn't actually bother me despite your insistence, but it is less efficient to quite a large degree. It's OK for you to be efficient, but not for me is what I'm getting from your posts.

As for gear, it actually does greatly effect my performance depending on what I'm wearing, and there are several pieces that have to be fulltimed (barring WS macros etc.) which take up valuable gear slots for otherwise much better pieces, and you only have to gimp it up for the initial hit. It's OK for you to be efficient, but not for me, I have to bring a friend or go without heals and even then I have an inferior TH level. If we're arguing fairness, how is that fair? Or is it OK that it's more fair for you and I should just stfu and level BLM?

:/ if i'm /thf um... lol I did alot more than gimp my first hit.

Gotta remember bub we're talking about thf 3 on a pet, not what you have today, ... I can live with that, becauase it's fair'er than what you want ... thf 3 on a pet. (or thf 3 on an shiruken for nin, or thf 3 on pebbles for blm, or thf 3 attached to thunder 5.. etc).

Right now.... yeah sure, blu skrew's you over in the "we get more thf than youuuu ne ner ne ner ne ner" department. but that's blu... you want to put bst on that same special tier that gets to get thf 3 without /thf. I don't agree with that. Bst has it well enough as it is.

And just stop with the "i have to gimp myself to use yuly" arguement... it just sounds dumb. Its your job to use beast pets, it's what you do, you're not gimping yourself by choosing what pet to use, your making a decision based on what best suits your needs. Your not gimping anything, your gearing for the task at hand, war's change sets for ws, becuase they are optimal for that ws, there are trade offs, for diffrent things.. you know like thf. ... or /dnc for safety, or .. /war for dmg output.. every bst who isn't /war is gimping themselves? THEY'RE NOT DOING THE MAX DMG THEY CAN must be a gimp.... NO... lol it's a decision... just like why you decide to play bst vs. blm, rdm, blu, dnc, smn. and when you decide to /thf or not. You are just like zomg!!! the rest of us, who "can" use a pet who has a thf trait. Be happy you get that.

Giving thf 3 to a pet puts bst in a special class, I don't like it, don't want it to happen.

Sure if you wanna ... go ahead and level blm, it's no where near efficent though .. it's more like the fat kid oozing sweets off his fingertips and still maw'ing down on chocolates (mp efficency is poo), ... but I don't think you'll like it. (there now i said it so it makes your post a little more ... right)