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    Well I haven't really understood what your asking for, I looked at it as if you were saying you wanted them to just make steps upto Afterglow rather than actual upgrades, which is what makes it hard to understand what kinda upgrades your looking for with this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Demon6324236 View Post
    Well I haven't really understood what your asking for, I looked at it as if you were saying you wanted them to just make steps upto Afterglow rather than actual upgrades, which is what makes it hard to understand what kinda upgrades your looking for with this.
    I wasn't really clear - so you raise a good point. Part of what I'm also hoping is that the end reward will also be more meaningful (so more steps to progress through, and little rewards along the way - different than glowing, yes).
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    Cloud: You just don't get it at all... there's not a thing I don't cherish.

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    That seems to go against SE's intentions though, these were literally made for showing off. Proof of this is the Horn/Harp. So far as I see, there is literally no benefit at all what so ever to doing that last trial.




    However I do agree it would be nice.
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    .. Umm...

    Harp has a BIG bonus for being 99, the fourth song.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raelix
    Ragnarok's aftermath is only 5% crit rate, even with lv99, so there's almost no point in using Scourge, you just spam Resolution. Even then you become just a boring meathead DD.

    Apoc with both Catastrophe and Entropy gives you crazy sustain of both HP and MP. With the Haste aftermath you can wear a ton of -PDT and solo almost any 75 content.
    Doing damage is for WAR's, DRK is about soloing 75 content yo.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by saevel View Post
    .. Umm...

    Harp has a BIG bonus for being 99, the fourth song.
    No, not 99, 99-2. I know there is a massive boost to them for taking them 95 to 99, however 99 to 99-2 has no upgrade what so ever. No afterglow, no extra stats, so far as I know, there is literally no benefit what so ever to doing the final trial which would award afterglow to these items.

    I suppose I should have been more clear myself, by last trial I meant the trial in which normally applies an Afterglow to a Relic/Mythic/Emp. There is no Afterglow for Harp/Horn, or any other bonus that I know of, meaning it is literally for showing off and thats it. Hell, honestly I don't even know if they glow when you sing, if not, there is no difference at all in any way, be it stats, item, or looks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Demon6324236 View Post
    No, not 99, 99-2. I know there is a massive boost to them for taking them 95 to 99, however 99 to 99-2 has no upgrade what so ever. No afterglow, no extra stats, so far as I know, there is literally no benefit what so ever to doing the final trial which would award afterglow to these items.

    I suppose I should have been more clear myself, by last trial I meant the trial in which normally applies an Afterglow to a Relic/Mythic/Emp. There is no Afterglow for Harp/Horn, or any other bonus that I know of, meaning it is literally for showing off and thats it. Hell, honestly I don't even know if they glow when you sing, if not, there is no difference at all in any way, be it stats, item, or looks.
    Ohh yeah those are just so that people have something they can brag about. You know cause their all hard core and want to camp 72hr HNMs, that kind of stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raelix
    Ragnarok's aftermath is only 5% crit rate, even with lv99, so there's almost no point in using Scourge, you just spam Resolution. Even then you become just a boring meathead DD.

    Apoc with both Catastrophe and Entropy gives you crazy sustain of both HP and MP. With the Haste aftermath you can wear a ton of -PDT and solo almost any 75 content.
    Doing damage is for WAR's, DRK is about soloing 75 content yo.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Demon6324236 View Post
    That seems to go against SE's intentions though...

    However I do agree it would be nice.
    Yea that's pretty much where I'm at with this thread when I created it - hoping to get some community interest and then maybe SE too...

    It's sort of like the current 99-2 says, "obtain one of these relics and it's game over, cause we can't think of anything to do with this weapon after that".

    BTW, I updated my OP again hoping it makes my intent clearer for first readers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oakrest View Post
    Yea that's pretty much where I'm at with this thread when I created it - hoping to get some community interest and then maybe SE too...

    It's sort of like the current 99-2 says, "obtain one of these relics and it's game over, cause we can't think of anything to do with this weapon after that".

    BTW, I updated my OP again hoping it makes my intent clearer for first readers.
    It was done as a compromise, there were very vocal people who demanded relics take years to complete and should "mean something". There were also an equally vocal group of people who demanded relics shouldn't be the province of EGLS's and should be open for anyone to acquire. So as a compromise SE made it such that only five marrows would be needed to make it 99 so the "everyone should get them" crowd is happy while making a stupidly high requirement for the relic that shines so the "it should mean something" crowd would be happy.

    Of course that second crowd was never asking it to "mean something", they just didn't want others to have them, so very few people actually chase the 99-2 upgrades.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raelix
    Ragnarok's aftermath is only 5% crit rate, even with lv99, so there's almost no point in using Scourge, you just spam Resolution. Even then you become just a boring meathead DD.

    Apoc with both Catastrophe and Entropy gives you crazy sustain of both HP and MP. With the Haste aftermath you can wear a ton of -PDT and solo almost any 75 content.
    Doing damage is for WAR's, DRK is about soloing 75 content yo.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by saevel View Post
    It was done as a compromise, there were very vocal people who demanded relics take years to complete and should "mean something". There were also an equally vocal group of people who demanded relics shouldn't be the province of EGLS's and should be open for anyone to acquire. So as a compromise SE made it such that only five marrows would be needed to make it 99 so the "everyone should get them" crowd is happy while making a stupidly high requirement for the relic that shines so the "it should mean something" crowd would be happy.

    Of course that second crowd was never asking it to "mean something", they just didn't want others to have them, so very few people actually chase the 99-2 upgrades.
    But what you're saying here is different than what you've underlined in my post. You're suggesting a difference in player base demand for relic content resulted in those two separate achievable milestones (and that's probably true), but what I'm talking about is that we're seeing a very clear end to content in general (a higher level concern than these two forks). In other words, regardless of how hard or tricky it is to obtain either of these two relic forms - what happens after that? Nothing? Game over?
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    Quote Originally Posted by the Advent Children

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    Cloud: You just don't get it at all... there's not a thing I don't cherish.

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    I don't think either me nor Saevel disagree with your idea of having more trials to make the m powerful afterwords. We are just saying that its not really what those trials were for, they weren't meant to be to make the weapon more powerful, they were just supposed to have something that stands out and makes you look different than everyone else. As I showed with the Harp & Horn, they made that very clear seeing as those trials add nothing at all to the weapon it seems, its just there. But in either case, I wouldn't mind them making more trials to make them more powerful but I doubt it will go much of anywhere because they clearly made it for people who want to stand out.

    As for what happens after you make 1, you make another, or you work on another job. I mean any time you try to be the best of something or make the most out of a job, once you hit the top of it where do you go? Well, you just climbed a mountain, time to climb another!
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