Pet th - Just hear me out

[FrankReynolds]

Actually, I thought back on something I said in passing on a previous page, and I could TOTALLY GET BEHIND a stackable consumable that gave you TH3 for an hour, provided you had to purchase these at a high price (say, 10k per) from vendors and they were EX.

I dislike the idea of everybody having heavy TH on demand but not nearly enough to oppose something I know would be a really good way to get massive amounts of gil out of circulation.

Maybe even 100k. Would probably still sell like hot cakes.

[scaevola]

It almost certainly would, though 100k might discourage people from loading up on them for general farming sessions which may or may not affect overall sales.

[Nawesemo]

Actually, I thought back on something I said in passing on a previous page, and I could TOTALLY GET BEHIND a stackable consumable that gave you TH3 for an hour, provided you had to purchase these at a high price (say, 10k per) from vendors and they were EX.

I dislike the idea of everybody having heavy TH on demand but not nearly enough to oppose something I know would be a really good way to get massive amounts of gil out of circulation.

Maybe even 100k. Would probably still sell like hot cakes.

I like these ideas.

[Delvish]

Eh, I have to add a maybe on this consumable. The conflict is the 50k for a stack of Gorefang Hobs plus 120k for a stack of TH3. TH1 for 60k may still win out over TH3 for 170k in Dynamis. To match that 120k selling coins at avg. 7k per, need 17~ more coins per run to break even. I do dynamis twice a day with a THF and a BST, and I'm not sure I always pull away that many more currency per run on THF with TH8 and my BST is rather gimpy by comparison (not perle gimp but 3/5 +1 and askar).

[Zagen]

Dnc/locked nets more. "." <<<< 100's all day but you knew that.

Don't get a White !! in a run and you're not going to come close to what BST is capable of getting with just TH1. 1% is 1% after all. Even with 1 White !! your DNC has to be fairly pimped out to keep up with a BST.

[scaevola]

Yeah, it's generally agreed that if you're alone, locking your sub on DNC is seriously not worth it. Even if you get a 100, which is by no means a sure thing, you may or may not be able to get more than you could by not giving up TH and seriously destroying your kill rate by virtue of significantly lower stats.

Eh, I have to add a maybe on this consumable. The conflict is the 50k for a stack of Gorefang Hobs plus 120k for a stack of TH3. TH1 for 60k may still win out over TH3 for 170k in Dynamis. To match that 120k selling coins at avg. 7k per, need 17~ more coins per run to break even. I do dynamis twice a day with a THF and a BST, and I'm not sure I always pull away that many more currency per run on THF with TH8 and my BST is rather gimpy by comparison (not perle gimp but 3/5 +1 and askar).

I can confidently say I would spend 100k for a two-hour TH3 (that didn't wear on death because I am bad; I'm not asking for that) in Dynamis on DNC, because I think I could make up the difference by going DNC/NIN for DCs rather than DNC/THF and dumping a lot of extra TP into kill rate.

The problem is spending two unbroken hours in Dynamis fighting DCs, which I have a hard time finding fun with any regularity, but that's neither here nor there.

[Nawesemo]

Don't get a White !! in a run and you're not going to come close to what BST is capable of getting with just TH1. 1% is 1% after all. Even with 1 White !! your DNC has to be fairly pimped out to keep up with a BST.

In that segment the arguement is efficiency, and sharing, gimmie a dnc/00 a thf/dnc, and they smoke the poor solo bst. Duo bst... Etc.. dnc/00 rains procs....procs make currency drop.

It's the sharing part people can't handle, and driving force behind the desire to get a thf 3 pet. (You know, so the bst dont have to need someone else), and that is funny, considering its bsts crying in the past about not being included. Its an emo job in a otherwise peach world.

[Zagen]

In that segment the arguement is efficiency, and sharing, gimmie a dnc/00 a thf/dnc, and they smoke the poor solo bst. Duo bst... Etc.. dnc/00 rains procs....procs make currency drop.

It's the sharing part people can't handle, and driving force behind the desire to get a thf 3 pet. (You know, so the bst dont have to need someone else), and that is funny, considering its bsts crying in the past about not being included. Its an emo job in a otherwise peach world.

Your BST/DNC needs to improve then.

DNC/00 has 1 more proc available than /DNC so don't BS about "rains procs". BST/DNC has Feral Howl every 5 minutes and Pet TP move about every minute (realistically less but you'll run out of charges at some point). Sure it's not every 30 seconds like Wild Flourish but then again a BST is dishing out more damage than a DNC/00. Oh and by the way my statement about "don't get a white !!" applies to a DNC/00 and THF/DNC duo compared to 2 solo BST/DNCs.

I duo with my friend as DNC/00 and THF/DNC and guess what unless we're pulling in 2 Whites a run it's a toss up on if we beat our numbers soloing as BST/DNC, usually in favor of the duo but a few runs we labeled TH fail runs. Sure we'll smoke the numbers of my gimp BST mule but she's gimp.

BST doesn't need more TH, all the nerf did was prove how little TH2+ really matters.

Edit: Forgot opting for Wild Flourish as a proc also destroys your damage potential.

[Nawesemo]

Your BST/DNC needs to improve then.

DNC/00 has 1 more proc available than /DNC so don't BS about "rains procs". BST/DNC has Feral Howl every 5 minutes and Pet TP move about every minute (realistically less but you'll run out of charges at some point). Sure it's not every 30 seconds like Wild Flourish but then again a BST is dishing out more damage than a DNC/00. Oh and by the way my statement about "don't get a white !!" applies to a DNC/00 and THF/DNC duo compared to 2 solo BST/DNCs.

I duo with my friend as DNC/00 and THF/DNC and guess what unless we're pulling in 2 Whites a run it's a toss up on if we beat our numbers soloing as BST/DNC, usually in favor of the duo but a few runs we labeled TH fail runs. Sure we'll smoke the numbers of my gimp BST mule but she's gimp.

BST doesn't need more TH, all the nerf did was prove how little TH2+ really matters.

Edit: Forgot opting for Wild Flourish as a proc also destroys your damage potential.

The white !! Says hi. Thf matters its the difference between a run of singles, and a run of quad's. Take a thf/dnc along on a solo run with the bst (ok technically a duo), have the thf tag each mob.... Proc it, then kill it. Then try without the thf (and using yuly for this test is cheating). Tell me what run netted more.

Bst is just safer. And you know it. Dnc/locked is going to help a lot more than thf 3 on yuly in the currency dropping department

[Zagen]

The white !! Says hi. Thf matters its the difference between a run of singles, and a run of quad's. Take a thf/dnc along on a solo run with the bst (ok technically a duo), have the thf tag each mob.... Proc it, then kill it. Then try without the thf (and using yuly for this test is cheating). Tell me what run netted more.

Bst is just safer. And you know it. Dnc/locked is going to help a lot more than thf 3 on yuly in the currency dropping department

I've built 2 relics (apoc mine, mandau my friend's), and along the way my friend and I tried various combinations. That I can recall some where:

BLU + THF
NIN + THF
NIN + DNC
THF + RDM
BST + BST (oddly enough netted less than solo, though probably cuz we didn't split up and use different camps)
DNC + THF (with and without subs)
DNC + NIN

Probably some I'm forgetting but you get the point. We compared all our duo runs to our solo BST runs. Why? Because our BST runs have been the benchmark to beat, heck I even compared my BLU/DNC solo runs which were better than my BST solos until my gear improved on BST. All our tests were post pet TH nerf.

The biggest reason we duoed was because it was more fun and allowed us to play more aggressively than BST/DNC solo not because it led to more coins. Until we started messing with DNC/00 + THF duo nothing compared to BST/DNC numbers solo, we still duoed because it was less boring and usually more amusing. You know that friendship and sharing crap you're talking about.

If you want safer then go BLU/DNC, well if you know how to play the job, as it isn't idiot/gimp proof like BST (this is general statement before you think I'm talking about you specifically and not the job). 1 shot TE stats, Light + Dark sleeps, ability to zerg a monster independent of JA timers, Curing from Waltz, MP, or WS. Oh and BLU/DNC can have TH2 since you think it matters that much.