Blue mage treasure hunter trait is too overpowered

[Thorbean]

The most hillarious thing is, that this guy is apparently being out farmed on BST by blue mages. Lmao.

Not to mention that BST also gets a minimum of 50% effective evasion vs 2 mobs and 100% vs a single mob (better than 95% cap) as the pet can hold the hate while the BST prances around like an ugly fairy.

Maybe the OP should try actually playing the job and realise that those 60 blue magic points don't go very far at all. Giving up 12 of those for a single trait is a fair trade off in my opinion. If you want TH2 as BST then ask for a pet that removes 25% of your available abilitys while granting TH2. Blue mage loses that much of their available points just for TH1, and you want it simply given to BST for free why?

In the end, you will continue to farm currency on BST, just like 90% of the population, because it's easy and requires no finesse at all. Oh and you also get widescan and are able to target TE's alot faster and safer than the other jobs listed.

Seriously, some people have been completely spoiled.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

The most hillarious thing is, that this guy is apparently being out farmed on BST by blue mages. Lmao.

Not to mention that BST also gets a minimum of 50% effective evasion vs 2 mobs and 100% vs a single mob (better than 95% cap) as the pet can hold the hate while the BST prances around like an ugly fairy.

Maybe the OP should try actually playing the job and realise that those 60 blue magic points don't go very far at all. Giving up 12 of those for a single trait is a fair trade off in my opinion. If you want TH2 as BST then ask for a pet that removes 25% of your available abilitys while granting TH2. Blue mage loses that much of their available points just for TH1, and you want it simply given to BST for free why?

In the end, you will continue to farm currency on BST, just like 90% of the population, because it's easy and requires no finesse at all. Oh and you also get widescan and are able to target TE's alot faster and safer than the other jobs listed.

Seriously, some people have been completely spoiled.

What's funny? BLU is lethal in Dynamis.

[Thorbean]

I'm not disputing that. Whats funny is he is implying BLU TH outshines BST for farming currency. If that was the case then dynamis would be full of BLU. I'm yet to see more BLU than BST in any dynamis. Infact i'm yet to see even 1% of players in dyna as BLU at any 1 time.

Compare:
Pearle BST
Pink blue mage

I suspect the BST will far outshine the BLU piece for piece.

[Metaking]

ok this is targeted at Afania

ok yes we blu do have a 8-10 Blink as in not 100% block rate spell that cost us 1/6th-1/5th of are mana delta and lunge are good tools but wont stop 100% of tp moves (tho im pretty sure we eat alot less than anyone else)

also general speaking if a blu aggros 5 dc mobs a once he is probably dead before switching over to evasion and way before getting dreamflower off, cuz generally that's when were getting te's, and by tarubranigens law when you link more than 3 beast men one is alwase a blm out of sleep range range casting rapaga while getting his ls rdy to up load the pics of your dead body to shadowbook >.>;


also how do you get hit 1 in 5 when evasion cap is like 85-95%, don't remember exactly anymore

reason i mentioned nin is i do see them out there ever so often solo and if se ever made magic procs% up to job ability im sure you would see a ton of them spamming ice and probably whatever there next cheapest tool is completely avoiding the shell currency mobs with dnc sub (aka being able to job ability and magic proc)

on the nin vrs dnc thing, dnc does have more evasion out the door like i said, aka before buffs and debuffs dint wanna mention sense after it im sure someone would have pointed out how badly a blu can destroy a mobs acc(-60blind -20~30 acc down[seen it listed as both at different times]) >.>;


@ Thorbean

well generally bst dont like blus if a bst is hogging all the mobs a blu can easily flip a mob off them and take it, and i hate to admit it, but i have stolen mobs from bst that got my blood boiling, also scary thing is both there primary dynamis pets have near caped evasion themselves as well as like 11% pdt from stout servant not to mention like twice the hp of a galka mnk/mnk for that extra monky goodness <.>

[Daniel_Hatcher]

I'm not disputing that. Whats funny is he is implying BLU TH outshines BST for farming currency. If that was the case then dynamis would be full of BLU. I'm yet to see more BLU than BST in any dynamis. Infact i'm yet to see even 1% of players in dyna as BLU at any 1 time.

Compare:
Pearle BST
Pink blue mage

I suspect the BST will far outshine the BLU piece for piece.

Playing as BLU for currency requires skill, BST in Dynamis is literally -DT or Evasion gear for pet, /ja "Fight" <t>, /ja "Reward" <me> and you're done.

While I don't deny you'll do much better on BST actually playing it properly, the point is BST + Dynamis is basically foolproof this is why it's all BST's rather than jobs like BLU. It doesn't matter what job will farm better Ease will forever be better then a challenge for the majority of players.

[Afania]

ok this is targeted at Afania

ok yes we blu do have a 8-10 Blink as in not 100% block rate spell that cost us 1/6th-1/5th of are mana delta and lunge are good tools but wont stop 100% of tp moves (tho im pretty sure we eat alot less than anyone else)

You don't usually use it when you farm, but it's a good idea to put it up when you do TEs, it helps you to
stay alive a few more sec when you mass aggro DCs, which is enough time to cast AoE sleep.

And yes, you can stun lock a mob completely with sudden lunge, I've tried it when I solo DC all the time. Just cast it right away after you see the msg "it's no longer stunned". As long as you cast it right away after you see that msg, it fires off faster than TP move. If it doesn't work, then the only possible reason is either you click too slow, or your internet lag.

also general speaking if a blu aggros 5 dc mobs a once he is probably dead before switching over to evasion and way before getting dreamflower off, cuz generally that's when were getting te's, and by tarubranigens law when you link more than 3 beast men one is alwase a blm out of sleep range range casting rapaga while getting his ls rdy to up load the pics of your dead body to shadowbook >.>;

I'm guessing you aggro 5 DC mob once because you're farming TE. As I said, if you're going to do a dangerous pull, put shadows up. If you don't put it up, it may be instant death when all 5 mobs hit you at once before you can AoE sleep. But if you have it up, it's well fast enough to AoE sleep them, it still has fairly high block rate and can totally save you before you can react, even if just a few sec. Unless, again, your internet lag or you click too slow, then nothing I can say about it.

I don't know how your statment of aggro 5 mobs at once and instant death came from.....I solo dyna almost daily on BLU, farmed thousands of TEs, and I very rarely die when mass aggro(not saying I never die, sometimes I make mistake/R0 too) to a point that I sometimes don't even bother with putting RR up in dyna. As long as I follow the rule of put shadows up, AoE as soon as possible, and didn't make any additional silly mistake, I don't die even with multiple mob+NM at me, I don't even bother with swapping to evasion set. If I can do it then anyone can.

also how do you get hit 1 in 5 when evasion cap is like 85-95%, don't remember exactly anymore

No. Do you ever try to play a pure evasion job(with no AoE sleep/shadows/flee/hide etc) in dyna solo with no alt? It's more dangerous when you mass aggro DC mobs than you think.

95% is the cap of your "hit rate", hit rate doesn't go above 95%, and doesn't drop below 20%. The info is here:

wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Hit_Rate

It stated clearly on the bottom, that it does not drop below 20%, and it also applies to monster accuracy.

So even if your evasion is super high, that the Monster has lowest hit rate, it still has 20% acc.

So every 5 hit, 1 of them will hit you.

When 7 DC mobs hitting you at once, you drop faster than you can ever deal with on anyjob you can't pet tank or AoE sleep or generate shadows, especially if one of them are nuking job/SMN job. Unless DNC or THF has a way to cure faster than losing HP(which I doubt on DC mobs), you're dead. The only job that can survive in such situations, is pet job like BST, maaaaybe NIN if they can keep shadows up, and BLU with AoE sleep/log out method, or flee/hide on THF and gtfo.

Have you ever try to solo dyna on pure evasion job with no shadow/AoE sleep? Try to run in the middle of DC mob and aggro 7 of them at once, highly doubt you can keep your HP up faster than losing HP, you can't eva everything even with super high evasion.

I have np capping, or close to capping evasion on BLU on EP mob in full DD set and evasion bonus from SJ. The only situation that I noticed a difference is DC mob, but I rarely solo DC mob, even if I do, BLU still has more tools to stay alive than many other jobs.

I also rarely see NIN, lack of TH is pretty make or break. Magic proc sucked, and if you're doing magic proc, BLU is also superior to NIN with low MP/recast/fast cast spell such as foot kick(rotate 2 low cost blu spells and you can spam them forever)while NIN you need to buy tools and lose gil.

When you compare evasion, you should* factor additional JA such as yonin, or else it'd be unfair that you factor closed position on DNC(which is a merit trait, not innate). NIN/DNC with just yonin still > DNC. However, factoring BLU spell is another case because all the hassel to cast them. BLU spell needs MP, and requires additional set point. When you kill mobs one by one in dyna, there are little reason/time to cast acc down spell everytime when each mobs doesn't last very long. It's very inefficient to keep BLU evasion high with 1000 spell cast and gains no real benefit. As I stated before, I have close or capped evasion on EP in full DD set, and I have no need to use additional spells to hit higher evasion, although I admit I have pretty high AGI from TP set already, plus full AGI+evasion merit. Having super high evasion is pointless when you already have decent evasion % with what you already have.

[Afania]

I'm not disputing that. Whats funny is he is implying BLU TH outshines BST for farming currency. If that was the case then dynamis would be full of BLU. I'm yet to see more BLU than BST in any dynamis. Infact i'm yet to see even 1% of players in dyna as BLU at any 1 time.

Compare:
Pearle BST
Pink blue mage

I suspect the BST will far outshine the BLU piece for piece.

I believe(although no real evidence) That if both jobs played properly, BST with just TH1 still pulls a bit ahead of BLU due to pet proc and ability to hold 2 mobs(which allow you to "gain" a lot more extra proc in the long run) in pure currency gain. But I'm not counting pet food/pet items cost on BST since I don't play BST and not sure how much they spent per dyna run. In dyna it really isn't about your killing speed(most of the well geared jobs shouldn't have problem with killing speed), but rather your proc rate. Ability to hold 2 mobs is also quite nice when there are competitions....

Not sure BLU with TH2 would make more gil than BST if pet food/item cost are considered though, when I solo dyna on BLU I don't spend any gil on any items(sometimes don't even bother with RR)

[Suph]

BLU + Tarutaru Sash = TH2
???/THF + Tarutaru Sash = TH3...

How does that go against the Hierarchy?

[Metaking]

well afania as i said (in a kinda round about way) when you normally agro that many beastmen odds are rather high there is a brd blm or rdm in the group only takes a sleepaga stun diaga or posinaga, to ruin your day on blu, tho you are right dreamflower seems to have a decent (ok fine a better than decent chance) chance to resist being interrupted from dmg.

i have done dynamis on thf big agro faj boots have saved my trail tho it was buburimu(think i spelled this right) and there is alot of open space to run away, tho i guess thf getting hit with stun would probably have = death as well, and if it happen in quifm yea nowhere to run so would have been dead

on the blu magic proc thing the real issue would be bleeding your mana dry where as nin tools don't have that problem and ice tools are super cheap(really all nin nuke tools should be as cheap) ice crystal and rock salt >.> is what like 1.3k per 12 syths

and yea i dint wanna because anyone who doesn't regularly play blu probably wont understand how big of a drain any spell over like 50 mana is on blu outside abysea when it(the mob) dies every 30 seconds, blu has high 700(at least i hope galkas have this much) to 900ish( im a taru no mp merits and no +mp in tp gear and i have 913mp) mp without wearing gear directly for mp. Average blu is going to have about 4-6 mp per tic (battery charge +3, af3+2 body +2 ( i tend to use themus body tell my mana gets below like 50%) and auto-refresh trait +1) which means blu is getting about 120 mana(@+6) a min -10 because of battery charges upkeep every 5mins and most blus are also going to keep up haste full time which is a 10.6 mana upkeep over 5 mins so now your at a little bit less than 100 mana a min average ep mob is going to only last like a min or so(assuming you don't get mr takes 50 steps to proc mob) probably going to cast delta once so 28 mana and sudden 2-4 times so lets go with 3, 3x18 =54, so after everything a blu on average would be storing like 17.5 mana a min, mind you that's in a perfect world of averages, without venerable(like travel time between mobs conserve mp ext) which..... yea never happens. sure im missing somthing somthing else, but my shift at work is ending so im going home to bed ^^

[tyrantsyn]

LMFAO and the laugh's just keep on coming.

So the logic is, because this job over here can pull this off, you should give me more TH over here on BST.

Nothing personal to the OP, but this is really grasping at straw's here. I can't even think of the last time I saw a blu in Dyna. I understand what you're trying to say and do. But I think you'd be better off making your fight else where.

You know you really have to blame the Dev's for this. If they would have just come out and said there happy with the balance they've achieved with BST and TH pet's. And decided against the added TH gear, they could have save themselves a lot of trouble. PPL still would have bitch, but at least they wouldn't have contradicted themselves.