Pet th - Just hear me out

[FrankReynolds]

the hits just keep on coming!

This argument can apply to literally any subjob. When I play SAM, I can sub DNC to heal myself a bit but I lose some offensive capability from not subbing WAR. Does this mean SAM should get Berserk?

Except Sam never had berzerk. So, let's take away hasso instead. Then lets take away magic spells from automatons because the master can just sub BLM or whm yeah? And all the PUP 2 hour abilities for that matter... Maybe we take away cures from red mage and scholar because they can just sub whm for that right? That doesn't sound like firm logic to me. In fact it's broken on almost every job in the game. They all have some abilities / traits spells that are shared with some other job. Somehow it only applies to bst though I guess.

It hurts the game, because a good game involves meaningful choices and meaningful choices involve giving something else up.

What meaningful choice? Are people deciding not to go beast to farm now? I thought the meaningful choice was choosing what pet to use.

PUP can't do all these things at the same time. You use Soulsoother to get healing and sacrifice damage from Sharpshot, etc. Meaningful choices.

Bst sacrifice better stats on the pet to use the one with treasure hunter. 6 of one, half a dozen of the other.

To be honest, treasure hunter is a crap trait and I'm sick of thief having to be gimped because of it.

[Plasticleg]

this whole thread is filled with bsts crying over holding 4-6 mobs at a time, soloing neo-dyna NMs (with ease), and not getting all the drops that they want.

th mules are hard.

[FrankReynolds]

this whole thread is filled with bsts crying over holding 4-6 mobs at a time, soloing neo-dyna NMs (with ease), and not getting all the drops that they want.

th mules are hard.

Bst mules are hard

[Plasticleg]

Bst mules are hard

way to negate your idea lol

[Caketime]

That's exactly what I said, as was the entire rest of your post. Don't need to reiterate to me what I already know, but thanks for trying.

The first part of your previous post states that nobody complained about Pet TH, and only about BST "behavior" in Dynamis, yet our pets' TH was pretty much the sole reason why anyone complained. Oh, that and we were competing with them for mobs.

As far as behavior goes, I don't think it's right to try and say that we've got bad attitudes or we're spoiled. We have to make our own way in the game because parties and alliances don't like us for one reason or another, and we're treated rudely by the community at large, yet we rarely complain. Now that we are finally voicing our opinions about being shat on by the developers for the last couple of years it seems all the animosity that other players held for us is spilling out everywhere. We've come a long way from death ruolettes and exp penalties, but the job is in no way overpowered, and there's nothing wrong with the way we carry out our business nor is it any different than what every other group does. We are not red headed stepchildren any more than you all are master debaters.

I should point out that not all is bad and wrong with the job. It's more like a sack of poo with some gems in it. If you're lucky you might even find a decoder ring in there. Why do I still play it? Well, because poo washes off.

[FrankReynolds]

way to negate your idea lol

I'm not sure what mules have to do with this argument. Are you saying they should nerf thf because people have mules? or are you saying that a bst with a thf mule would be better than 2 bsts?

[Arcon]

Why do people act like TH = ultimate advantage in the game anyway?

Because that's what it is. TH is a massive advantage. It can mean the difference between hunting something for a month and a week. If you don't consider that a huge advantage then you got your own priorities wrong, not everyone else.

I wouldn't have any issue with SE lowering TH effects and increasing drops across the board. As a THF it's only natural to hate TH, because SE constantly use it as an excuse to not give our job any other buffs. Which is why I find it even stranger that BST are so obsessed with it. Would you like it if they increased your TH and neglected your job in other areas in the process?

The first part of your previous post states that nobody complained about Pet TH, and only about BST "behavior" in Dynamis, yet our pets' TH was pretty much the sole reason why anyone complained. Oh, that and we were competing with them for mobs.

I can't speak for others, but it certainly didn't seem that way to me. Peoples' main complaint was BST holding several mobs, while doing high damage and at the same having higher survival chances than anyone else, all while being solo. Sure, TH was mentioned occasionally by one or the other individual, but it was just as well pointed out by other people that decreasing their TH won't change anything (which it didn't).

[Malthar]

Arcon, bub, I'm just saying what you said.

[Quetzacoatl]

Seriously the BST hate is a little much. It's fine if people dislike BST, but maybe you should go to a different forum. It's unbelievable that BST is good at 1 and only 1 thing and people light their hair on fire. You aren't willing to invite bst to like any event, and then you're going to get mad that they solo things? #facepalm

You're wrong on that one, BSTs are being invited to Voidwatch for Pet Attacks more occasionally because White on Pet Attacks.

[Malthar]

That was before /fume was discovered.