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    Player Naoane's Avatar
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    Automatons and buffs

    This actually applies to all pets in my opinion, but providing a way for pets to receive the effects of songs/rolls would greatly improve the overall usefulness of automatons in heavy dd situations.
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    Player Kristal's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naoane View Post
    This actually applies to all pets in my opinion, but providing a way for pets to receive the effects of songs/rolls would greatly improve the overall usefulness of automatons in heavy dd situations.
    COR has pet dice, but I don't think I've ever seen a COR use them other then pre-fight frolicking... Most CORs only buy them for OCD purposes. (Obsessive Completion Desire)
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    "Puppetmaster was our last best hope for peace. It failed.
    Now it's our last best hope.. for victory!"

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    Player Theytak's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristal View Post
    COR has pet dice, but I don't think I've ever seen a COR use them other then pre-fight frolicking... Most CORs only buy them for OCD purposes. (Obsessive Completion Desire)
    The problem is that the pet rolls target the master. Instead of buffing the pets, they give the master Pet: + stuff, which is incredibly roundabout and completely defeats the purpose of the rolls. The only time I've ever seen pet rolls used practically was doing Early Bird lowman with a pld, a cor, a smn, and me on pup, where the cor was giving us drachen roll (was before they switched drachen and puppet rolls) and himself wizard's roll, and we were burning the fucker down with BPs, Nukes, and Quick Draws.
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    Nutcracker had trained for years to crush the crotch and/or obliterate the ovaries of each and every monster in Vana'diel. Not even some weird thing that fish have called a "cloaca" could stem his robotic rage towards reproductive bits.

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    Player xbobx's Avatar
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    And they can't say it is impossible to do because in Campaign I have seen bst pets get buffs there.
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    Player Drac's Avatar
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    "The ability to Buff pets like you would a player would make them overpowered" - SE
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    Player Artardan's Avatar
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    There's really no reason why it would be overpowered for PUP, as automatons are pretty much the closest thing to a playing character. DRG can buff their wyvern with merits thrown into Empathy to allow up to 5 buffs to be transferred and with AF2+2 to extend the duration further. It would probably be overpowered for BST since their pets have the highest attack power and HP out of all pets and SMN's avatars are expendable so their buffs wouldn't last long for it to be worthwhile. If the development team ever considered this idea for implementation, they would probably add it as an attachment which is incredibly stupid since we're lacking the space.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Artardan View Post
    There's really no reason why it would be overpowered for PUP, as automatons are pretty much the closest thing to a playing character. DRG can buff their wyvern with merits thrown into Empathy to allow up to 5 buffs to be transferred and with AF2+2 to extend the duration further. It would probably be overpowered for BST since their pets have the highest attack power and HP out of all pets and SMN's avatars are expendable so their buffs wouldn't last long for it to be worthwhile. If the development team ever considered this idea for implementation, they would probably add it as an attachment which is incredibly stupid since we're lacking the space.
    even if they don't let pets be hit by party buffs, the auto is buffing ME! Why, pray tell, is it not buffing itself?

    on that subject, the whm auto will heal other party members, and remove debuffs, why will it not buff them?
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    Player Telford's Avatar
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    Zijder
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glamdring View Post
    even if they don't let pets be hit by party buffs, the auto is buffing ME! Why, pray tell, is it not buffing itself?

    on that subject, the whm auto will heal other party members, and remove debuffs, why will it not buff them?
    The auto buffing itself would be almost as annoying as the old -na's before cures AI. Imagine Stormwaker stopping to cast protect, shell, haste, stoneskin and phalanx on itself every time you DAD for mp.

    Soulsoother will buff other party members but it can be tricky. It will only buff others if you are already fully buffed, have a water maneuver up* and they are the one with the mobs attention (top of the hate list). When I'm out with ls mates getting seals I usually have them solo a mob until Charlie prot/shells them.

    On topic give us an empathy like ability that copies our buffs over to our puppet, have it consume oils, the higher tier oils copy over more buffs. Or add the effect to maintenance, if there are no status ailments to remove a buff is copied over instead.

    *Pretty sure you need a water up, must double check next time I'm on.
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    Last edited by Telford; 09-25-2012 at 02:46 PM.

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    Player Jab62998's Avatar
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    If Embrava applied to Automaton it would be great.
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    Player Kristal's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Telford View Post
    The auto buffing itself would be almost as annoying as the old -na's before cures AI. Imagine Stormwaker stopping to cast protect, shell, haste, stoneskin and phalanx on itself every time you DAD for mp.
    The automaton wouldn't buff itself, it would cast a spell on the master which also affects itself.
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    "Puppetmaster was our last best hope for peace. It failed.
    Now it's our last best hope.. for victory!"

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