Whatever happened to Cait Sith and Atomos?

[Sayomi]

whatever happened to utsu san and jubaku ni (T-T)

[Babekeke]

whatever happened to utsu san and jubaku ni (T-T)

That's Atomos's BP.

[Ihnako]

I'm actually thinking that BST had it worst right now, given that:
1. Their signature JA, Charm, is completely useless now.
2. They gave us a good pet (Falcorr and Dippy) and then turned around and nerf'ed their TH so that it is no longer useful for farming (even outside of Dynamis). While the main driver for this was for dynamis, the fact of the matter is that taking away TH from the pet doesn't really impact Dynamis that much but does take away our ability to farm other items.
3. They told us that they are going to give us item to raise the TH from pet and then take that away from us again and telling us that we were reading too much into what they have said here.
4. To this day, BST's pet is the only pet that does not zone with the master.
5. The latest proposed 2hr for BST is for us to 'EAT' our pet so that we can gain some Stoneskin that would be about half of the HP of the pet. While the reality is that NO SANE BST wants this. [Although to be fair, the original proposal would have been even more laughable, in exchange in eating our pet, we would gain Reraise. *Yawn*].

So based on the above, I would say right now, SMN is slightly better off than BST. At least the new proposed 2hr for SMN could actually have a real use unlike the 'eat your pet' and gain stoneskin.

Are you serious?

#1
Charm isn't useless since there are a lot of areas where you can charm!
But heck the charmable mobs aren't lv.90+ so they aren't OP like your jugs. Maybe you should start to learn the job from the scratch because other BST got their job done with those crapy mobs.
Notice: SE said that there will be charmable mobs in the upcoming addon.

#2
Compared with all pet-jobs BST got pampered over the time like they did with SAM.
And that your pet doesn't get a better TH than any other job beside THF was the right choice.
I don't understand why a pet should have it from the start. It's a pet!

#3
They mentioned that they consider it but they also gave a solid answer why they won't introduce it right now nor in the near future.

#4
And? What's so special about it?
Oh I knew - you want to charm a mob in one of the high-level areas and pose with it in front of Jeuno?
Sorry to be sarcastic but as a BST I don't care about zoning cause I'll call/charm my pet when it's needed.
Notic: You'r not the old DRG where your pet is your 2h!

#5
I also can't see why you complain about the changes (on the testserver).

BST are allready a tanking samurai not to say you'r - in case we'll reduce everything to DoT - #2
BST is #2 in DDing, #2/3 in tanking, #1 in hate control and don't misunderstand me but BST even got a gear and weapon choice beyond what the job could wear naturaly.

Considering everything said above - BST is SE's lovechild while they lightly touch/adjust DRG.
PUP got an adjustment but it's still to early to say that SE truely understand the needs of this job. (There's a lot odd in it.)
SMN had and have to wait for what they got promised. And we'r not talking about a dealy for a month - we'r talking about years!!!!

So I understand why every SMN is PISSED OFF not to say PISSED OFF BEYOND RECOGNITION.

[Calatilla]

They gave us a good pet (Falcorr and Dippy) and then turned around and nerf'ed their TH so that it is no longer useful for farming (even outside of Dynamis).

Only having TH1 on BST isn't useless for farming, its still better than no TH, which is what you had originally. SMN and PUP can get TH1 using taru sash same with other jobs so SE kind of balanced it out between jobs. But I`ve always thought the only job that should have TH is THF, since that's always SE`s reason for not giving THF anything.

Be happy you have TH at all.

[Camiie]

Let's not turn this into a BST vs SMN thread please. I'm sure the mods will jump at any chance to lock this.

On topic now. How long ago were Cait Sith and Atomos announced? How many times have they been delayed and why exactly? Any particular reason or are they just not that important to the devs? If so, why are these avatars any less important than any other job additions that have gone through the entire planning, testing, and implementation process in the time since these were announced? Surely they aren't favoring more popular jobs because LESS popular jobs than SMN have gotten things in the meantime.

I realize that Avatars require some storyline to be added where other abilities/spells do not, but it's not like you guys are producing an expansion for these. In fact you did already (even though that took forever too). There's no need for Avatars to be years in the making unless you're James Cameron or Nickelodeon.

I wouldn't complain so much, but you guys are Square-Enix. Perhaps only a division thereof, but still Square-Enix. If you were some small no-name company and/or the game was F2P, I'd cut you some slack. I wouldn't expect much. You guys are the big boys though and are charging full price for admission here. I don't expect the moon and the stars, but I expect you to be able to deliver what you promise in a timely fashion. You're certainly not the only company who fails in that regard, but that's neither here nor there.

If you guys don't have the resources to get things done on time, then you have lousy bosses. You can tell them I said so. Part of a boss's responsibility is to make sure his workers have what they need to get the job done. I hope the new Producer realizes that and works to get everyone what they need to make things happen and makes sure everyone has their <Rear> in gear.

[Herby]

The most disturbing thing for me is that apparently the SMN community doesn't even care about being treated this way. Otherwise, I can't explain the lack of reaction to this news

[Camiie]

The most disturbing thing for me is that apparently the SMN community doesn't even care about being treated this way. Otherwise, I can't explain the lack of reaction to this news

I know what you mean. I think we should all be pretty darn upset about this. I can only hope the JP players are giving them a piece of their minds. The NA SMN community is being rather slack in standing up for our job. Even if Cait Sith and Atomos aren't brought out any sooner, we should at least put the idea in the devs' heads that we don't appreciate being strung along for YEARS on new avatars.

I know what it's like to have to prioritize my duties and sometimes let people know that there will be a delay in meeting their needs. I would never put someone off like this though. There's no way I could get away with it. I guess you guys at SE chose the proper line of work to be able to get away with delays, lies, and broken promises. Other jobs where such things are commonplace are plumbers, electricians, construction contractors, and auto mechanics. [SARCASM]Nice company you're keeping there![/SARCASM]

[Secondplanet]

I agree with others, we're all tired of complaining about the lack of anything for summoner. For years i have been pushing for them to give an atma to people who have done the level 20 fights or even issue a new reward since so few have done them. Others along with myself asked them to up grade the evokers ring to kinda catch it up with the times. Hell even combine the 2 and make it if you've done all the lvl 20 fights you can talk to karby and he will upgrade the evokers ring to +1. But seriously when was the last BIG update for summoner???

I think the only good thing we have gotten in years was the elemental siphon. And when was that given to us?

With all other jobs constantly getting new abilities/spells/EQUIPMENT where is summoner standing in this equation?

SE you talk over and over again about maintaining balance in this game but where is this attitude of yours when summoner is mentioned? You ignore us and promise us stuff you don't deliver.

I'm not asking for a Dev to comment on this, I think a Dev HAS TO EXPLAIN TO US ABOUT THIS.

[Herby]

There is actually a pretty easy way to fix SMN IMO.

i can't imagine those fixes would take very long to implement and sound minor on paper but would make a great impact on how SMN can be played.

1: remove or change the BP delay - cap, since we have enough gear to cap BP delay almost 3 times!!!
2: fix avatar's favor: remove or cut the charging time in half and BPs shouldn't reset the favor
3: let Ward pacts scale more with the level of the Summoner/Summoning Skill outside of duration

in fact I'd like to see those 3 things even more than Cait Sith but SE doesn't even acknowledge that SMN is pretty broken outside of their 2hr uses (Perfect Defense)

let me know what you think of my suggestions for fixes

[Babekeke]

1. Maybe not remove completely or the new 2 hour is redundant, but lower to 50% please.

2. I think favor should have 1 or the other penalty. Either we have a 25% reduction to BP damage, OR we have wards reset when we BP rage. Not both.

3. Can't think off the top of my head how they should scale more with level, other than making warcry a little more powerful.