Whatever happened to Cait Sith and Atomos?

[Herby]

Interestingly, the Relic+2 set has -23 bloodpact delay. As far as I recall, it is the only 5-piece equipment set in the game that has useless bonuses when the full set is worn. You can reach -15 delay with three pieces, the -8 on the other two pieces do nothing since 15 is the cap.

It makes me think of making a 5-piece gear set with maximum gear haste on it, and then adding on a set bonus of 8% more gear haste.

Granted, we can just use the 3 pieces and ignore the other two for bloodpacts if we wanted... but as a set, it's a bit odd. No other set in the game does something like this.

I don't think there's any equipment setup where any other job can exceed it's cap by such a big number like SMN can on BP delay. most of the delay gear is useless after you got your magian staves since they already give -12 delay on a single piece. That's just so odd and I don't understand SE's reasoning behind it

[Secondplanet]

I really think SE should have to do something to make up for this like separate all of our bloodpacts into their own counters to help us out.

And SE before you say it would make us overpowered i say it can't we only have 2 high'ish level bloodpact rage's that one it physical and other magic. All other before it fail hard compared to the limit you set on the lvl 75 attacks.

Or at least give us basic control over our elemental's so we can choose which magic they will use. Even if you set it up like a quasi puppet where you can issue a suggestion like magic attack or magic enfeeble and then they do their own thing.

[Dreamin]

I play both, and both have spent a long time getting the short end of the stick and still are. I don't want to get into it over which job is worse off, because it's rather subjective and dependent on circumstances. They both need help and to be treated better than SE treats them. SE needs to get over this apparent phobia they have of BST and SMN becoming overpowered. They've definitely overcompensated in that regard. At this point it would take drastic measures for them to even approach where other jobs are, much less become OP.

I'd almost be willing to bet that the delay comes from them thinking what they had planned was too powerful somehow, and they went back to the drawing board over it. I'm fully prepared to be completely underwhelmed by what we end up with.

I'm actually thinking that BST had it worst right now, given that:
1. Their signature JA, Charm, is completely useless now.
2. They gave us a good pet (Falcorr and Dippy) and then turned around and nerf'ed their TH so that it is no longer useful for farming (even outside of Dynamis). While the main driver for this was for dynamis, the fact of the matter is that taking away TH from the pet doesn't really impact Dynamis that much but does take away our ability to farm other items.
3. They told us that they are going to give us item to raise the TH from pet and then take that away from us again and telling us that we were reading too much into what they have said here.
4. To this day, BST's pet is the only pet that does not zone with the master.
5. The latest proposed 2hr for BST is for us to 'EAT' our pet so that we can gain some Stoneskin that would be about half of the HP of the pet. While the reality is that NO SANE BST wants this. [Although to be fair, the original proposal would have been even more laughable, in exchange in eating our pet, we would gain Reraise. *Yawn*].

So based on the above, I would say right now, SMN is slightly better off than BST. At least the new proposed 2hr for SMN could actually have a real use unlike the 'eat your pet' and gain stoneskin.

[Dreamin]

They still have til 15 September to introduce Cait Sith, according to theyr roadmap. I dunno if Atomos will be summonable, but if he will it prolly will be a 2hr. It might be as Phoenix, just an cut scene avatar

I dont know how you read they have until 9/15 to give us Cait Sith. Are we even reading the same post:

Hello summoners,

The most recent road map scheduled Cait Sith to be implemented around the July to August time frame; however, implementation will be delayed.

As we had a large amount of other projects and various requests to work on, we were unable to secure enough time for this and had to lower the priority of Cait Sith.

We apologize for everyone who was looking forward to it.

Once we get some insight into the new implementation timing we will be sure to make an announcement.

Changing the topic for a moment, in the next test server update we will be reducing the recast times for avatars and spirits to a uniform 5 seconds. (Except Odin and Alexander)

While there may not be a big feeling of difference for using multiple avatars, it will become more efficient to switch to an avatar temporarily and then call out a previously used one right away. This will also be quite effective when using the new 2-hour ability, as your Blood Pact timers will be reduced as well, opening up paths for application.

The bolded part clearly means that Cait Sith timing is TBD and not anytime 'known' at all.

[Mokeil]

I'm just that good at being sarcastic!

That was, indeed, excellent sarcasm. I /bow before a Master. Seriously! You just gave me a good solid laugh today. I needed that.

WOW all i can say is most ppl are really taking this laying down. Not to sound rude but i am DOWN RIGHT PISSED OFF.

Summoner has waded through a lot of BS over the years, and we're a lot stronger now than we used to be. But for the most part, changes took a long, long time to come around. Then came Abyssea and the Magian trials. Suddenly, we had a rush of new things. Atma! New Gear! Oh man, I can get up to some crazy stuff in Abyssea these days with the right atma... And now we have solid gear choices in just about every slot - real choices! Not just one piece and that's that (I'm looking at you, Yinyang Robe!).

Heck, my -perp set is so good now that I can leave any avatar out in any zone/weather combination you can think of, and I will get MP back for the privilege of doing so. This is before I even start to consider Refresh or Sublimation! It literally changed the way I could approach the job.

For the first time in a long time, it felt good to be a Summoner. It was like some sort of Cosmic Vindication for sticking with the job for so long. It was like SE had said, "We're sorry. We know we've been kind of lax about getting to you, but that's going to change. Just stick with us, because we've got great things in mind for you."

OK, sure, everyone got hefty buffs due to Atmas and newer, job specific gear, yes. But Abyssea and the Magian Trials were to be just the start - a glimpse, if you will, into the potentially great things that would be done for each of our jobs on the road to 99 and beyond. But for Summoner, that potential was never lived up to. From there, most everyone else has gotten bigger and better, while Summoner has just sort of languished in limbo with a few other neglected jobs.

That's the part that gets me. So many awesome things could have happened for us, but all we get are useless tweaks to things we don't even care about. When we actually get an official response, it's in relation to things we didn't even know we had asked about. I mean, seriously, who the heck was asking about making Wards cheaper or stronger if there were only a few people in the AoE range? We have so many other concerns voiced here, and that's the one they choose to answer?

Never before has the notion that Hope is the best spice to bring out Despair rung more truly than now. I just don't think I have it in me anymore to muster the truly righteous outrage this non-news deserves.

Honestly, though? I don't even think that's the saddest part of all this mess. Looking around these forums, most of us aren't even asking for newer and better things. Sure, new avatars or Blood Pacts would be cool, and all... But mostly, we just want years old problems to be taken care of. We just want to feel... whole.

To the Community Rep Team: You guys take a lot of gruff from us sometimes, in regards to the messages you pass our way. I recognize that you have little control over the contents, however. You all can only tell us what you're cleared to tell us, and a lot of that happens above your pay grade. So please know that if we are angry or upset or disappointed: It is not at you, but rather at the contents of the messages you carry to us.

[Quetzacoatl]

Square-Enix just bought you all a lot more time to finish up WotG before you realize you have to beat the entire expansion to get access to them, just like they did with Alexander and Odin for ToAU. GET TO IT!

[Lollerblades]

Summoner left out again I see …

[Secondplanet]

I'm actually thinking that BST had it worst right now, given that:
1. Their signature JA, Charm, is completely useless now.
2. They gave us a good pet (Falcorr and Dippy) and then turned around and nerf'ed their TH so that it is no longer useful for farming (even outside of Dynamis). While the main driver for this was for dynamis, the fact of the matter is that taking away TH from the pet doesn't really impact Dynamis that much but does take away our ability to farm other items.
3. They told us that they are going to give us item to raise the TH from pet and then take that away from us again and telling us that we were reading too much into what they have said here.
4. To this day, BST's pet is the only pet that does not zone with the master.
5. The latest proposed 2hr for BST is for us to 'EAT' our pet so that we can gain some Stoneskin that would be about half of the HP of the pet. While the reality is that NO SANE BST wants this. [Although to be fair, the original proposal would have been even more laughable, in exchange in eating our pet, we would gain Reraise. *Yawn*].

So based on the above, I would say right now, SMN is slightly better off than BST. At least the new proposed 2hr for SMN could actually have a real use unlike the 'eat your pet' and gain stoneskin.

I don't see how bst has it worst off, TH is for thf sorry but if they start handing out other jobs abilities its more of a cop out then a bonus.

Also with bst you get stout servant to a higher level then we can dream of. Already bst pets have a better physical defense then avatars and we only excel in magic defense which can't be used against us since most NM's use more then 1 type of magic. Look at turul, he spams thunder and wind magic so no one avatar will have the advantage in this fight. But all (minus maybe ceulubre) attack more then use magic which makes bst stand out better for tanking. Also you get a way to heal your pet while only 2 of ours are able to heal themselves.

And while bst is giving new pets with updated stats we are still stuck back in the day of 75 for most our stats and being told constantly by SE that its to maintain balance in a world that is off kilter.

[Camiie]

Square-Enix just bought you all a lot more time to finish up WotG before you realize you have to beat the entire expansion to get access to them, just like they did with Alexander and Odin for ToAU. GET TO IT!

I guess I'm way ahead of the game then. Been there. Done that. Got the earring.

I wonder what exactly they ARE doing over at SE HQ. It doesn't seem like they're accomplishing much of anything. I think we need a lot more than a new producer....

[Babekeke]

Square-Enix just bought you all a lot more time to finish up WotG before you realize you have to beat the entire expansion to get access to them, just like they did with Alexander and Odin for ToAU. GET TO IT!

Just in case anyone didn't do this the moment that they announced Cait Sith and Atomos anyway?

I wonder what exactly they ARE doing over at SE HQ. It doesn't seem like they're accomplishing much of anything. I think we need a lot more than a new producer....

They're preventing people from wasting 5 seconds a day by making AFK players in congested areas appear as 'ghosts'. Unfortunately, every SAM MNK WAR DRK and WHM thinks that this is all that's left in the game that needed fixing lol.