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    Player Arcon's Avatar
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    It always depends on your total Haste. If you're solo, Haste isn't nearly as important as in group situations, because of more outside Haste sources. Sometimes a certain set will actually beat full Haste alternatives. For example, in his opening post Frost answers the question whether Double Attack is better than Haste with a strong "No". Saying that Double Attack is worse than Haste is an incorrect statement all by itself, the correct phrasing would be "Double Attack is worse than the equal amount of Haste, assuming Haste isn't capped, you don't have negative Haste and there are no other bonuses that enhance your Double Attack". I understand that's a bit of a mouthful, but if you want to go into details, that's what you need to consider. For example, when you're weakened, no amount of Haste will be better than Double Attack. Double Attack +x% (assuming you have 0 before) will always increase your damage output by at least x%. Haste +x% will only do more than that if a) Haste isn't negative (Slow/Elegy, Weakness, Gear, etc.) and Haste is less than x% away from the cap.

    Also, Haste on one item doesn't mean much all by itself. More Haste in one item is good, because you can reduce Haste in another slot to make room for other improvements. Take the Phos Belt +1 you mentioned (out of context, in general), it's exactly the opposite: it negates other benefits (the Double Attack +2% from Twilight Belt) to increase total Haste, which can then be offset by another item. Unless that other item offers more than Double Attack +2%, that's not worth it at all.

    I currently possess four items with higher Haste than what I use in my TP set on THF for the respective slots. It always depends on the rest of the set as well. Multi-attacks, critical hit rate, critical hit damage, STR, Attack and Store TP can all influence the Haste gear choices. It's rarely as simple as saying Haste beats everything else. That's why I like to say that Haste is both the most underrated and most overrated stat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcon View Post
    I currently possess four items with higher Haste than what I use in my TP set on THF for the respective slots.
    Similar story here. Haste is incredibly easy to cap on THF, and is obviously a must for utsu macros.

    But for TP I drop to 23% visible haste with 12 triple attack and 13 double attack (before traits/merits) leading to 23 of each when /war. My gear isn't perfect either, I need a new earring to replace hollow, a new neck probably, and a new main hand (obviously I main Lux and sub triplus but couldn't get ffxiah to show it that way around).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babekeke View Post
    Similar story here. Haste is incredibly easy to cap on THF, and is obviously a must for utsu macros.

    But for TP I drop to 23% visible haste with 12 triple attack and 13 double attack (before traits/merits) leading to 23 of each when /war. My gear isn't perfect either, I need a new earring to replace hollow, a new neck probably, and a new main hand (obviously I main Lux and sub triplus but couldn't get ffxiah to show it that way around).
    Neck > rancor unless the 10% is going to kill you (alternatively, nef collar + ranc mantle for same reason, or nef collar)
    Hollow > Suppa unless you have a real good reason to not have suppa
    Replace Triplus with Aluh Jambiya.

    EDIT: the above are just suggestions, there is obviously better but that depends on what is available to you
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babekeke View Post
    Similar story here. Haste is incredibly easy to cap on THF, and is obviously a must for utsu macros.

    But for TP I drop to 23% visible haste with 12 triple attack and 13 double attack (before traits/merits) leading to 23 of each when /war. My gear isn't perfect either, I need a new earring to replace hollow, a new neck probably, and a new main hand (obviously I main Lux and sub triplus but couldn't get ffxiah to show it that way around).
    If Thaumas gear is out of the question, you should look into Haste gloves, such as Brego Gloves. With haste being "incredibly easy to cap on THF," there is no reason to not cap it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigPapaBlueJay View Post
    If Thaumas gear is out of the question, you should look into Haste gloves, such as Brego Gloves. With haste being "incredibly easy to cap on THF," there is no reason to not cap it.
    I agree with you almost entirely, Only thing is, it was shown pretty heftily unless you're getting High Haste (march+Spell), that the set she is wearing is better than a Brego Glove/Dusk/whatever haste hand set so long as the enemy isn't complete fodder (Dynamis EP or Salvage).

    So, If Salvage/EP Dynamis? Yah, Would be nice to carry around some form of Haste Feet or boot, For anything else, Until she's rocking Thaumus (Or Nomph Mitts actually), Her current set is fine.

    Haste is pretty much everything, But today's DD need to stop forgetting how important Accuracy is as well, Since Abyssea and most of VW have spoiled us... Especially 1 handed DD and 2 handed DD who still think they auto-cap Accuracy, Those +2 Gloves offer 11 Accuracy over Brego, or most other equal haste Glove options, Which just means all the more for that set.

    Long story Short, Yah, Capping haste on THF is easy, But without some key pieces (Thaumus, those 8m~9m Nomp Mitts), IN most instances, the set they're using is fine (Minus the Rancor/Nef/Suppa thing lol)

    Edit:*** Flor Clarity sake, The Information I'm using was relevant around the time THF+2 Relic was released and it was mathed then, There's been a good chunk of new gear added, But for all intents and purposes, No, Brego gloves would not be better for their set unless They're getting Haste+March, or something like Embrava.
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    Last edited by Karbuncle; 08-30-2012 at 04:10 PM.

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