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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcon View Post
    Because neither communicating nor prioritizing procs is required.
    You have a very piss poor understanding of what strategy is.

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    A strategy is a plan of action designed to achieve a specific goal. Strategy is all about gaining (or being prepared to gain) a position of advantage over adversaries or best exploiting emerging possibilities. As there is always an element of uncertainty about future, strategy is more about a set of options ("strategic choices") than a fixed plan. It derives from the Greek "στρατηγία" (strategia), "office of general, command, generalship".
    Taken from one extreme, even simple, straight up zerg is a strategy. Taken from another, nothing we do involves strategy because we players always seek the path of least resistance so will pick the battle plan most likely to succeed with the least amount of effort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trisscar View Post
    You have a very piss poor understanding of what strategy is.
    I wasn't even talking about what a strategy is. Yes, communication and prioritizing of procs is a strategy. But neither of those things is required. Hence, a strategy is not required. That's what I said.

    Also, I wasn't really agreeing with him, as there is current content that does require a strategy and a proper execution to work. I was just telling you what he meant by that. I know I should stop talking for people, it's a bad habit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trisscar View Post
    And communicating and prioritizing procs is not a strategy... Because?
    Are you joking or being serious I can't tell... You wan't real strategy? Take a look back when Odin from Einherjar first came out, that was just an example of real strategy and don't tell me something in response that your LS killed Odin while afk eating Papa Johns when it was first introduced. I'm really not trying to offend what you said although I understand where your coming from but cmon lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sayomi View Post
    Are you joking or being serious I can't tell... You wan't real strategy? Take a look back when Odin from Einherjar first came out, that was just an example of real strategy and don't tell me something in response that your LS killed Odin while afk eating Papa Johns when it was first introduced. I'm really not trying to offend what you said although I understand where your coming from but cmon lol.
    When Odin was introduced was a little before my time when I started doing endgame events, so I wouldn't know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcon View Post
    I wasn't even talking about what a strategy is. Yes, communication and prioritizing of procs is a strategy. But neither of those things is required. Hence, a strategy is not required. That's what I said.

    Also, I wasn't really agreeing with him, as there is current content that does require a strategy and a proper execution to work. I was just telling you what he meant by that. I know I should stop talking for people, it's a bad habit.
    Sorry for the misunderstanding Arcon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trisscar View Post
    When Odin was introduced was a little before my time when I started doing endgame events, so I wouldn't know.
    It's all good, alot of elements of the past were pretty hard but tons of fun, I loved watching linkshell after linkshell line up to die to cerberbus lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sayomi View Post
    It's all good, alot of elements of the past were pretty hard but tons of fun, I loved watching linkshell after linkshell line up to die to cerberbus lol
    I liked die in a mess back when you could honestly expect to die in a mess.
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    well im not gonna read trough 74 pages but since a thread like this is going on i will post this here to get soome visibility (since alot of people will probably let it pass if i just leave this like that) , i posted this : http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post353272

    on the official thread and i want to know the opinion of the people around here, i know some people wont agree with me but i am really curious on the opinions around that and i would like some serious feedback not basic things like: wow it just plain bad, or wow awesome i loved it. I wanna know why you think it sucked or found it awesome, i know i am not a dev but i m graduating as a game designer this year so this is pretty much good for me as well in my career so i want to know if i am being unreasonable or not. thanks for your understanding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smokenttp View Post
    well im not gonna read trough 74 pages but since a thread like this is going on i will post this here to get soome visibility (since alot of people will probably let it pass if i just leave this like that) , i posted this : http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post353272

    on the official thread and i want to know the opinion of the people around here, i know some people wont agree with me but i am really curious on the opinions around that and i would like some serious feedback not basic things like: wow it just plain bad, or wow awesome i loved it. I wanna know why you think it sucked or found it awesome, i know i am not a dev but i m graduating as a game designer this year so this is pretty much good for me as well in my career so i want to know if i am being unreasonable or not. thanks for your understanding.
    I know you didn't want this kind of response, but there is just way too much in that post to comment on all of it.

    About half of it is good, and the rest i bad. If you break that up into separate posts, I'm sure people will be more willing to give feedback. I will say this though. They made exp way easier to get for a reason. The old methods of gaining exp never went away. All those people you see in gov / abyssea alliances leveling aren't going to go back to six man parties. They will just quit leveling new jobs. They only do it now because it is convenient.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankReynolds View Post
    I know you didn't want this kind of response, but there is just way too much in that post to comment on all of it.

    About half of it is good, and the rest i bad. If you break that up into separate posts, I'm sure people will be more willing to give feedback. I will say this though. They made exp way easier to get for a reason. The old methods of gaining exp never went away. All those people you see in gov / abyssea alliances leveling aren't going to go back to six man parties. They will just quit leveling new jobs. They only do it now because it is convenient.
    thanks i will see if i can break it up, also i know is kinda of a hassle but mind telling whats you tought it was good and what it was bad tough?, also i know that people will strugle if the abyssea capped is raised and the damage is already done but before all this you had only 2 reasons to level up a job :
    1- because it would be usefull in a engame event you wanted to join
    2- because you liked how the job played
    if people eventually need for the 1st reason they will still level up jobs altough job favoritism is not benefical and i recognize that but its part of the game, no one wanted smn in the past now its a must for the new zerging game to work. i know i might have been anoying about this stuff but i like this game alot and it pretty much saddens me that people will just skip 8 years of hard work that has been put into a game because things where made irrelevant(also i know that theres a way to make some things relevant again, limbus 2.0 was a tentative on that even tough ppl dont do it much it still there as an "end game" option again), but i kinda dislike that low and mid levels where made irrelevant in the process(and i know that alot of people will disagree with me here).
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