Turialon's Complain about the unsocial EMPY upgrades

[Camiie]

They've already done it, it's called afterglow.

Afterglow is not a separate weapon. It's not even a separate path.

And what's wrong with empy 99 cost as much as a relic, empy is functionable at 85~90, which is certainly doable by causals.

AF3+1 is "functionable." Why didn't they make it so 99% of the players would never be able to +2 it?

Lv 99 isn't zomg awesome difference too, so why complain about how long it takes to 99 when you can just stick with 90?

Because it isn't simply a matter of time. If time was all it took, then I wouldn't complain. If I had to do 30k weapon skills to go from 90-95, I'd at least feel like it was something I could accomplish eventually. With HMPs and the way they are distributed, there's nothing even close to guarantee I'll ever see 1500 no matter how much time and effort I put forth.

It's not like this game is PvP and if you don't have a lv 99 empy you'll never win or something.

It's nice to be able to finish what one starts. SE ensured that for most people that will never happen, and they did so simply to appease a small minority of players.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

More gear for the non-1%ers!

[Meyi]

Because it isn't simply a matter of time. If time was all it took, then I wouldn't complain. If I had to do 30k weapon skills to go from 90-95, I'd at least feel like it was something I could accomplish eventually. With HMPs and the way they are distributed, there's nothing even close to guarantee I'll ever see 1500 no matter how much time and effort I put forth.

I'm pretty sure people would still complain with 30k Weapon Skills. My friend bought most of his Heavy Metal Plates. Perhaps time off from doing events that drop them could be spent farming gil to buy the ones you still need?

[Camiie]

I'm pretty sure people would still complain with 30k Weapon Skills.

A trial like that makes the process purely a matter of time, which is what the other poster was inferring the HMP trial is.

My friend bought most of his Heavy Metal Plates. Perhaps time off from doing events that drop them could be spent farming gil to buy the ones you still need?

And if no one is out collecting plates, or they just aren't dropping very often, all the gil in the world means squat. See how well your friend's strategy works after Adoulin.

[Ragmar]

I thought that was Mythics wasn't it?

It was mythics pre abyssea yes. When SE announced empy though there was an uproar in the relic community over fear that these weapons would crap on relics just like a lot of the abyssea gear crapped on old EG gear. This is when SE saw a mass exodous of veterans leaving FFXI feeling that they had wasted years obtaining gear that was replaced in one expansion. SE then said that they intended for relics to always be the top weapons and empys would be something that could be done much easier. This is the sole reason 1500 plates doesnt really make sense to me. I think SE created the 1500 plates trial because even though they may have intended relics to be the top weapons there are only a few that are overall better than their empy counterpart. Even the ones that are better require the merit WS's.

[Ragmar]

Speaking of conspiracy, do you guys ever wonder why the new expansion will be released around the same time as FF14 being rebooted - which is also similar time frame when Abyssea was introduced and FF14 originally launched in 2010. I think the new expansion could go two ways, they probably will not put that many contents at start, just enough to keep people entertained for a good 3-5 months at most. Assuming that FF14 reboot will be a massive success, they probably will introduce more old school content for FF11 that favor select fews and will try to bring back "challenging very hard unattainable" content to further drive the rest of the population to FF14 (also assuming the new version will be catered to solo players and have casual friendly attitude). If FF14 end up to not find enough subscribers and possibly fail to gain traction... then they probably will release abyssea blockbuster version 2 on the SoA contents to keep the current players happy and getting addicted for awhile, though most of the drops are probably going to be luck based so that most people will have to grind this over and over.

I have a feeling all these crazy requirement with the magian trials is their safety net, should FF14 fail once more, at least the majority of FF11 players already invested so much more to drop out completely from the game and can be hooked for a little longer with SoA. Since SoA is a brand new expansion (and not add ons like Abyssea) they can justify stretching the content to last a minimum of 3 years to 6 years (if they are feeling lazy).

I wouldnt count on an abyssea 2 launch when SE calls it a huge mistake. Regardless of my feelings about it SE has in fact said they see it as a mistake. You cant argue with that even though you do love to argue ... waits to be called an elitest gear lording all around meanie for pointing out fact. And a princess snowflake for added effect.

[Fupafighter]

Stop buying cells. Stop buying stones. Farm gil and buy the plates. Use the stones you accumulate. Do dynamis. Sell currency. Cruor farm. Convert the VW cruor and cruor farm cruor to gil via chocobo blinkers. Profit. Not hard.

[Mostfowl]

Relics: at this point easy to obtain and can be obtained as a by-product of doing other content (VW for instance you can make a killing at profit wise, buy your ancient currency, blamo easy peasy relic) Down side is most the jobs do not have access to relics and se refuses to add jobs to them (ie dnc to dagger, blu to sword etc) cause it would upset the "lore" (relic gear for all jobs in dyna did that anyway) which is a poor excuse by se. Magians trials, not bad and almost 100% soloable.

Empys: Boring as they come to making but still relatively easy if you have the patience to suffer the monotony and bang em out. 1500 plates come to about 150,000,000 gil roughly (at 100k per plate). Not quite a by-product like relics but still monotonous which is what you should come to expect from empy. Also the ease of getting them is what makes ppl pursue the more worthless empy weapons (I'm looking at you Hvergelmir). They also open up good weapons to the mostly solo, yes it may take you a little longer but you can easily pug these weapons. Can take a week or so make a single one.

Mythics: Opens you to a variety of content with entry-time limitations and mostly something you need some skill for but at the same time is alot more interesting to obtain. Costs roughly 600,000,000 gil if you want to buy your alexandrites. That and the magians trials for them are not someone bang-outable for the most part. Need a GOOD and steady group of ppl who know their jobs. Not easy to do with a pug and are more geared to the hardcore. Can take years to make a single one.

Why complain about 1500 plates. Its boring and a time killer but seriously what do we do in this game other than FARM GEAR. No matter what endgame you are doing you are FARMING GEAR. The boring and time consuming aspect to getting the 1500 plates is still easier.faster.cheaper than that of a mythic but not quite as easy as a relic. Its an in-between weapon. Why are we complaining?

[Demon6324236]

It was mythics pre abyssea yes. When SE announced empy though there was an uproar in the relic community over fear that these weapons would crap on relics just like a lot of the abyssea gear crapped on old EG gear. This is when SE saw a mass exodous of veterans leaving FFXI feeling that they had wasted years obtaining gear that was replaced in one expansion. SE then said that they intended for relics to always be the top weapons and empys would be something that could be done much easier. This is the sole reason 1500 plates doesnt really make sense to me. I think SE created the 1500 plates trial because even though they may have intended relics to be the top weapons there are only a few that are overall better than their empy counterpart. Even the ones that are better require the merit WS's.

SE doesn't understand how to do things then, because they have messed the same thing up twice. They overpowered 1 set of "casual" endgame weapons, and made the other set nearly unobtainable while being the best for alot of weapons by crushing Relic and Emps in power or utility.

[Camiie]

Stop buying cells. Stop buying stones. Farm gil and buy the plates. Use the stones you accumulate. Do dynamis. Sell currency. Cruor farm. Convert the VW cruor and cruor farm cruor to gil via chocobo blinkers. Profit. Not hard.

For the second time: And if no one is out collecting plates, or they just aren't dropping very often, all the gil in the world means squat. Someone has to bring them to the market, they don't just magically appear in peoples' bazaars.