Will there be camps in the new expansion?

[Demon6324236]

Absolutely!

You know exactly what was meant... -_-;

[Camiie]

My point is that a lot of that game's playerbase wants to see elements of its predecessor, in this case HNM's, return so that they can enjoy them in a new setting without having to go elsewhere to find them.

If 200 is a lot of a game's player base then that game has more problems than HNMs and the people who love them will be able to fix.

If they can't find them there or anywhere, where are they left to go for their niche?

EQ1? Ultima Online? Asheron's Call? Something old, archaic and not up to modern MMO standards?

Some would say these types of players are but a small percentage in the realm of MMORPG's, and I beg to differ. The link was my proof.

A nearly imperceptible fraction of the MMO universe is hardly proof of anything.

Just because a handful of people on these forums reject the idea, doesn't mean the rest of the gaming world wouldn't enjoy it. Get used to that idea.

The rest of the gaming world is playing WoW and it doesn't have the style of game play you claim that they are asking for.

[Eyeballed]

If 200 is a lot of a game's player base then that game has more problems than HNMs and the people who love them will be able to fix.



EQ1? Ultima Online? Asheron's Call? Something old, archaic and not up to modern MMO standards?



A nearly imperceptible fraction of the MMO universe is hardly proof of anything.



The rest of the gaming world is playing WoW and it doesn't have the style of game play you claim that they are asking for.

Camiie, you really, really know how to send shivers up my spine. ):

[FrankReynolds]

200 > 24

That poll is for a completely different game. All your thread proves is that you are in the wrong forum.

And besides that, did you actually read that post? The OP is asking for no spawn windows and short pop times. Meaning no camping and no sense of competition. A lot of the comments are referring to small NM like leaping lizzy. he's asking trigger pops like ZNM and VW as well. Your acting like all those likes are for world spawn 24-72 hour HNM when in fact that guy is talking about allllll sorts of unrelated material in a completely unrelated game.

The bottom line is that regardless of whether 200 or 2,000 people want them, the negative affects it would have on 300,000 people is the issue.

[Eyeballed]

That poll is for a completely different game. All your thread proves is that you are in the wrong forum.

And besides that, did you actually read that post? The OP is asking for no spawn windows and short pop times. Meaning no camping and no sense of competition. A lot of the comments are referring to small NM like leaping lizzy. he's asking trigger pops like ZNM and VW as well. Your acting like all those likes are for world spawn 24-72 hour HNM when in fact that guy is talking about allllll sorts of unrelated material in a completely unrelated game.

The bottom line is that regardless of whether 200 or 2,000 people want them, the negative affects it would have on 300,000 people is the issue.

Honestly, I don't recall anyone asking for strict C&P from either side. Everyone wants a compromise in some form. And to be fair, Lizzy and the like were mentioned as toward in addition to the proposed.

[Trisscar]

Absolutely!

And you are an idiot if you think one Final Fantasy is the same as any other Final Fantasy. They're their own self contained games, that just happen to share the same name. You fail. Utterly and completely. Go back and try again, do not pass go do not collect 200 Gil.

[FrankReynolds]

Honestly, I don't recall anyone asking for strict C&P from either side. Everyone wants a compromise in some form. And to be fair, Lizzy and the like were mentioned as toward in addition to the proposed.

From your FFXIV thread

First paragraph:

bring HNM/NM's into FFXIV in a manner that would appeal to the entirety of the playerabase, and not just a select elitist few.

Fourth paragraph:

we would like to see better small-time open world NM's. Possibly some Lottery Spawns, Trigger Spawned NM's, etc. Before you flame, please read the entirety of this post, as we do not want a pure copy+paste of XI's NM system (we want shortened timers, etc)

Note that most of what he's talking about is already in this game (FFXI) and is lacking in that game (FFXIV). That thread is about way more than what we are discussing in this thread when people say things like:

Will there will camps similar to pre-Abyssea camps, such as Kings, CoP Wyrms, etc?

you want them to add a HNM that drops 1 item that everyone wants 10% of the time and is a 72 hour repop?

10% is a bit high, don't you think? But otherwise, yes.

[Nala]

For the love of... i have nothing useful to add... perhaps ill post my first meme EVER to include a face palm and not this thread again pic =.=

[vienne]

They shouldn't be worrying about appealing to niche groups when they have limited manpower and resources. They should be trying to cater each piece of content to as large a group as possible.

so you're saying that people who also pay money to play this game and would like to see this added should just be ignored? and for as far limited manpower goes, SE is good at recycling its not like HNM is a total new concept

[Trisscar]

so you're saying that people who also pay money to play this game and would like to see this added should just be ignored? and for as far limited manpower goes, SE is good at recycling its not like HNM is a total new concept

Every HNM built in SoA is time and resources wasted to make something only a few people want rather than something that's actually good.