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    Demon6324236, can I ask what your signature, "Words so true in a world now ruled by luck! If only SE could see all our sad faces when we roll our die each day and it never lands on the number that rewards us.", means?
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    It means that he doesn't like random number generator-based reward systems
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eyeballed View Post
    Because it was inflammatory, and that in itself is unnecessary. Learn to talk with respect, and I might actually acknowledge you even said anything.
    What was inflammatory about it? Calling you a masochist?

    You actually summed up my opinion on the matter quite nicely with your selection of my post. You only blocked out my views on you and your opinion. I guess that was uncomfortable for you, but I'm not sure what else you expected. You knew almost everyone here disagrees with you (you certainly knew I did), and you actually asked me about my opinion. I merely answered your questions. This is how I see it. I see it as a form of masochism. And I do not in any way have anything against it. I already told you before I have several people who play the game the "hard way" and if it makes them happy, good for them. I just don't want them to enforce it on myself, just like I don't enforce my playstyle on them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eyeballed View Post
    Because it was inflammatory, and that in itself is unnecessary. Learn to talk with respect, and I might actually acknowledge you even said anything.

    And at the most, it was all he needed to say for me to understand his side. Is there any point to talking further?
    I don't think anything he said was intended to be inflammatory. Calling you a masochist is quite appropriate given the nature of your views on this game.

    mas·och·ism (ms-kzm)
    n.
    1. <censored>
    2. The deriving of pleasure, or the tendency to derive pleasure, from being humiliated or mistreated, either by another or by oneself.
    3. A willingness or tendency to subject oneself to unpleasant or trying experiences.

    All of us in this thread are guilty of the same thing in that it's pretty obvious that our efforts to sway you will be both time consuming and fruitless, and yet we continue to enjoy this debate. Wear that masochist badge with honor.

    I'm willing to bet that a parse of the Port Jeuno chat logs would reveal that you do not shout for the groups that you have been pushing for on this thread.

    Furthermore, If the devs began work on implementing your requested changes, they would probably not finish before you left the game to go back to FFXIV. You're also ignoring the fact that SE are evil genies, and would likely do something totally unexpected and unwanted that you would hate even more than the current system, while in the process of making your requested changes . You're basically pushing for a largely unwanted / unnecessary / potentially terribad change that you won't even be around to benefit / suffer from, so this is really all just a great exercise for me to hone my more or less awful typing skills. *looks down at keyboard to see what keys my fingers are on*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eyeballed View Post
    Demon6324236, can I ask what your signature, "Words so true in a world now ruled by luck! If only SE could see all our sad faces when we roll our die each day and it never lands on the number that rewards us.", means?
    If you look at most of the end game content released after Abyssea, its very random. With Arch-Dynamis Lord its a matter of luck on picking the right clone after he splits, with VW its luck on drops, with Nyzul Isle you rely purely on how far you go with each jump. As the quote says, Abyssea had the most proper reward system, because Reward truly was effected by effort, you could try to do something, and something would get done. However since most endgame has become very luck based, sure skill is involved, and more skill in alot of cases means less luck, but no matter what you do alot of endgame is highly effected by a random number the game comes up with and throws your way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eyeballed View Post
    Because it was inflammatory, and that in itself is unnecessary. Learn to talk with respect, and I might actually acknowledge you even said anything.

    And at the most, it was all he needed to say for me to understand his side. Is there any point to talking further?
    Quote Originally Posted by Eyeballed View Post
    So Arcon, would you say that we should simply start the game at cap?
    Quote Originally Posted by Arcon View Post
    I already said I would not mind that one bit. I don't care for EXPing at all. If I'd start the game at 99 I'd still play it. Get this: I already have all my jobs leveled. I don't need any EXP, ever again. Yet I'm still playing. Is that not enough to convince you that I don't care for EXPing?
    He also answered your question as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eyeballed View Post
    Learn to talk with respect, and I might actually acknowledge you even said anything.
    Like you're one to talk! You haven't shown one iota of respect to anyone who doesn't agree with you, and you show unprecedented amounts of disrespect and arrogance towards us all! What a hypocrite!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankReynolds View Post
    I don't think anything he said was intended to be inflammatory. Calling you a masochist is quite appropriate given the nature of your views on this game.

    mas·och·ism (ms-kzm)
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    2. The deriving of pleasure, or the tendency to derive pleasure, from being humiliated or mistreated, either by another or by oneself.
    3. A willingness or tendency to subject oneself to unpleasant or trying experiences.

    All of us in this thread are guilty of the same thing in that it's pretty obvious that our efforts to sway you will be both time consuming and fruitless, and yet we continue to enjoy this debate. Wear that masochist badge with honor.
    I assure that I am not, in fact, what you claim I am. The mere fact that you've tried to place this label on me simply because of my preference of play-style is different to yours is quite superficial. I've had every opportunity to name many of you what I think you to be, but because I have a bit of decency in me, I've done my best to refrain from it.

    This isn't about me, and it's not about you. There's something else going on here, and I'm willing to get above the opinions and get down to the bottom of it. If you, or anyone else is not, then please just stop responding. You were doing good Frank, please keep up the new trend.
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    Seems I was late to the sandy lady part meeting.

    The old party system, while nice in my nostalgia, was horrifying, and caused hours of standing in Aht Uhrgan doing nothing at all. It sucked, I like that I can level up quickly now.


    Oh and so I don't feel left out, everyone smells and you all like to dance in tutu's on poo poo. There, hope my abusive tongue matches that of everyone elses in this 16 page dear diary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Demon6324236 View Post
    If you look at most of the end game content released after Abyssea, its very random. With Arch-Dynamis Lord its a matter of luck on picking the right clone after he splits, with VW its luck on drops, with Nyzul Isle you rely purely on how far you go with each jump. As the quote says, Abyssea had the most proper reward system, because Reward truly was effected by effort, you could try to do something, and something would get done. However since most endgame has become very luck based, sure skill is involved, and more skill in alot of cases means less luck, but no matter what you do alot of endgame is highly effected by a random number the game comes up with and throws your way.
    A lot of folks in FFXIV are complaining about the same thing. Why do you think people aren't happy with it?
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