To: Mr Akihiko Matsui

[Luvbunny]

I'd highly suggest trying that before you quit, Eyeballed. Gear, seal and +2 hunting with a couple friends at 99 can be a blast. With Abyssea and VW gear hunts, you can get some repetitive fights with tougher and cooler looking mobs in a party setting where everyone has to participate. Of course there are differences from old xp parties but much of what I liked about those at first is present in these fights, which to me are more fun and better designed. You can get your sense of old partying, just in the gear hunt across multiple jobs vs experience points with one job.

You made some very good point that everyone here tried to suggest to Miss Donuts over there, but seems like that idea never cross her donut shaped hole inside her head. Maybe she should try to cut some sugar, and bake another cookie?

[Arcon]

I said nothing about wanting it to be challenging. I can make it challenging all by myself soloing IT mobs. I said I wanted to experience the game at all levels with 5 other people, preferably.

That just sounds insanely arbitrary. First of all, why five other people? Why not solo, why not in an alliance? Secondly, how is an EXP party "experiencing" the game? You don't see shit of the game in an EXP party. 30 capped Promyvions is experiencing the game. 40 capped Mammets fight is experiencing the game. 60 capped Airship fight is experiencing the game. Leveling is not, not at any level. If you think killing crabs over and over somehow means experiencing the game you have no idea what the game has to offer at all, even during mid-levels. Leveling does even less for your game experience than it does for your gameplay experience, which is already pretty much nothing.

Also, am I being retarded or did my post (the one you quoted) get deleted? I can't seem to find it anymore.

[FrankReynolds]

That just sounds insanely arbitrary. First of all, why five other people? Why not solo, why not in an alliance? Secondly, how is an EXP party "experiencing" the game? You don't see shit of the game in an EXP party. 30 capped Promyvions is experiencing the game. 40 capped Mammets fight is experiencing the game. 60 capped Airship fight is experiencing the game. Leveling is not, not at any level. If you think killing crabs over and over somehow means experiencing the game you have no idea what the game has to offer at all, even during mid-levels. Leveling does even less for your game experience than it does for your gameplay experience, which is already pretty much nothing.

Also, am I being retarded or did my post (the one you quoted) get deleted? I can't seem to find it anymore.

A few of mine came up missing recently. I suspect ninja forum modding.

[Arcon]

A few of mine came up missing recently. I suspect ninja forum modding.

At first I suspected that, but look at it (it's still in his quote), there's nothing that seems even remotely insulting in there. Can't really see why it would have been deleted.

[FrankReynolds]

At first I suspected that, but look at it (it's still in his quote), there's nothing that seems even remotely insulting in there. Can't really see why it would have been deleted.

I got a 12 hour ban from this forum for saying "I'm not sure what your trying to say, but I think it was meant to be an insult. It actually just came out as sounding silly though."

... you never know what the reasoning may be on here. I'd prefer they just delete to doing a temp ban for something lame though.

[Eyeballed]

That just sounds insanely arbitrary. First of all, why five other people? Why not solo, why not in an alliance? Secondly, how is an EXP party "experiencing" the game? You don't see shit of the game in an EXP party. 30 capped Promyvions is experiencing the game. 40 capped Mammets fight is experiencing the game. 60 capped Airship fight is experiencing the game. Leveling is not, not at any level. If you think killing crabs over and over somehow means experiencing the game you have no idea what the game has to offer at all, even during mid-levels. Leveling does even less for your game experience than it does for your gameplay experience, which is already pretty much nothing.

Also, am I being retarded or did my post (the one you quoted) get deleted? I can't seem to find it anymore.

So Arcon, would you say that we should simply start the game at cap? Being that myself, and an untold number of others, apparently don't know what we're talking about? Or, is that simply you 6-7 (or even 50, considering the Likes on page 1), and the lot in this particular thread just don't seem to understand, at all? You say there's nothing to be found in killing a crab over and over with 5 other people, and I disagree, for one. I say there's nothing to be found burning up your levels (AFK or no) in Gusgen/CN for the first 60 levels in the game.

[Arcon]

So Arcon, would you say that we should simply start the game at cap?

I already said I would not mind that one bit. I don't care for EXPing at all. If I'd start the game at 99 I'd still play it. Get this: I already have all my jobs leveled. I don't need any EXP, ever again. Yet I'm still playing. Is that not enough to convince you that I don't care for EXPing?

But no, that's not what I'm suggesting. I say leave it as it is. That way the people who want to leech can do that, the people who don't, don't have to. Only the masochists like you are being left out because they can't find five like-minded masochists to party with. Instead you think it would be an appropriate solution to make the entire rest of the community suffer just so you can indulge in your masochistic desires.

Being that myself, and an untold number of others, apparently don't know what we're talking about? Or, is that simply you 6-7 (or even 50, considering the Likes on page 1), and the lot in this particular thread just don't seem to understand, at all?

We do understand what you want. We also understand your arguments. But you don't seem to understand that they're all subjective. We don't want a game like that. I play to play, not to work. EXPing has always felt like work to me. Something repetitive, tiresome and boring. You may spin it whichever way you want ("being able to play the job is a reward for the tedious leveling" has a nice ring to it), but it's still not convincing to me, and I'm guessing to at least some other people as well.

You say there's nothing to be found in killing a crab over and over with 5 other people, and I disagree, for one. I say there's nothing to be found burning up your levels (AFK or no) in Gusgen/CN for the first 60 levels in the game.

I don't disagree. I'm not saying leeching is a vital life experience or that you learn some valuable lessons while doing so. But neither is regular EXPing.

[Eyeballed]

I already said I would not mind that one bit. I'm not saying leeching is a vital life experience or that you learn some valuable lessons while doing so. But neither is regular EXPing.

This is really all you had to say.

[Demon6324236]

This is really all you had to say.

Actually he had alot more than that to say, and said it, you just didn't quote it.

[Eyeballed]

Actually he had alot more than that to say, and said it, you just didn't quote it.

Because it was inflammatory, and that in itself is unnecessary. Learn to talk with respect, and I might actually acknowledge you even said anything.

And at the most, it was all he needed to say for me to understand his side. Is there any point to talking further?