To: Mr Akihiko Matsui

[cidbahamut]

Are you serious? You're implying that a Lv40~65 Ninja can even start thinking about a haste build? Hahaha...

http://www.ffxiah.com/item/13054/fuma-kyahan
http://www.ffxiah.com/item/15457/swift-belt
http://www.ffxiah.com/item/11495/zeal-cap

Yes.

[Eric]

> Complaining about a burned Nin and nearly failing a UO run (lol) and that it's level leeching at fault, when gimps/unskilled players existed before abyssea or burns themselves were around, they just levelled slower

I don't understand why this concept is so frickin' hard for these nostalgia freaks to understand. I'll always remember how disappointing it was to find a person to tank for my parties, only to have the group disband half an hour into the party because they were terrible at their job.


EDIT:

Are you serious? You're implying that a Lv40~65 Ninja can even start thinking about a haste build? Hahaha...

Wow. This says it all. You're a hypocrite if you're blaming Abyssea for creating gimps when you were clearly an example of the bad tanks I just talked about.

[Twille]

Is there even a point to this thread anymore?

[Arcon]

Anyway, remind me again why we're talking about my Ninja and how it's related to this topic?

Nothing that's been said in the last 40 pages has been on topic, mostly thanks to you.

[scaevola]

Is there even a point to this thread anymore?

To take turns styling on eyeballed, obviously.

[Eyeballed]

Is there even a point to this thread anymore?

For the few that were contributing constructively to it, (See Merton9999, Demon6324236 and Komori), absolutely there is a point. For the rest, they're throwing out red herrings one after the other in attempt to derail the conversation for their sheer amusement it seems.

Last I checked, these are a Discussion Forums, meaning we don't get by with things like "You were just a fail NIN. You only want your way, bawbag. Go play another game and leave us alone." and so on and so-forth. If you can't discuss things without resorting to things like insults so that ground may actually be covered for either side in a constructive manner, then please just leave it alone. If you had, the thread might have been on page 10 by now.

[scaevola]

We ABSOLUTELY get to point out that you were a bad NIN, because the entire point here is that abyssea/book-burning is not producing less competent/educated players; bad players always existed, and what better way to make that point than to use your own testimonials to show that you were one of them.

I mean, I'll grant that at least you clearly gave a shit about doing well and you STILL failed at it, but nevertheless you still made it to 75. In the fantasy world of rewarded competence you seem to think old school parties promoted, you never would have gotten that far.

What it rewarded was conformity, which is not so bad now that we actually have the Right Answers to how to play the game, but was a big problem when the "right answers" involved paying 500k or camping 35 hours to get 3 DEX and AGI from Leaping Boots (or else I will be a bad NIN!!!! ) or struggling to recast Utsusemi: Ichi against mandragoras that hit you for like 25 damage anyway.

[Modoru]

I just happened to say shuriken, debuffs and the wheel. I used all 3 just to be sure. So you're saying you did just fine with provoke and TP spam? And why did you stop at 65?

I leveled Thief at some point, then I didn't have a lot of time, so I took a break. Came back to FFXI and my NIN was only ~70 or something. I did like 5 levels in campaign pretty much.

[Eyeballed]

We ABSOLUTELY get to point out that you were a bad NIN, because the entire point here is that abyssea/book-burning is not producing less competent/educated players; bad players always existed, and what better way to make that point than to use your own testimonials to show that you were one of them.

I mean, I'll grant that at least you clearly gave a shit about doing well and you STILL failed at it, but nevertheless you still made it to 75. In the fantasy world of rewarded competence you seem to think old school parties promoted, you never would have gotten that far.

And this goes to further prove that you don't read my posts, and therefore have no basis as in what's going on, quite frankly. Just like the rest. However, I'm sure you won't ask me to re-iterate or even for a link as to what I said, because you only care about carrying around that flamethrower.

[scaevola]

Okay, so if axing book-burning and abyssea leveling is not about promoting a more competent playerbase, what's it about?

EDIT: As a gesture of good faith, I'll explain why I like the quicker type of leveling: FFXI endgame, maybe more than any other game, allows a variety of different paths to progression, mostly through the continued value of gil for the acquisition of the best weapons in the game. Since there are a ton of different activities that result in gil, I can pursue a given goal a dozen different ways depending on my mood. This variety goes a really long way towards keeping the game fresh.

XP, by comparison, is a straight grind, and in parties its a grind entirely dictated by received knowledge over one or two camps; because the logistics of party-making are pretty involved, getting anyone to break this cycle is more trouble than it's worth. 6-man XP has its charms, but at the end of the day if I wanted to be forced into one activity and one activity only for the majority of the time to improve my character, I would be playing World of Warcraft, which at least has the decency to force you into a much more interesting activity (Heroics).