To: Mr Akihiko Matsui

[Eyeballed]

I was not the one who brought up ninjutsu as an example of how old XP styles made skilling up more fluid.

Ninjutsu is not only expensive to level but also generally lacks the sort of spammable self-buffs others use to level magic skills and does not get practical skill-up spells for a very long time. I wouldn't condone making it to level 99 with 100 skill but I seriously doubt old-school XP would have made this particular guy more inclined to keep it capped.

If it had really become a problem, it is much more likely he would have stopped playing NIN entirely, which is only a good result if you're a psychopath.

You seriously doubt? Speaks volumes to me.

[Eyeballed]

Pretty much this:

You will not come anywhere near capping ninjitsu just by using shadows and you will find very little use for casting anything else in an exp party on the way to 40 (or even 99 for that matter).

Edit:

Read this carefully: His ninja would probably not even be high enough to do the BCNM without having abyssea burned it.

I started to respond, but then I remembered I'm talking to someone who didn't know what Under Observation was in the first place. Silly me.

[Eyeballed]

Wait, I didn't get the memo where NIN was now a nuker with an extensive array of spammable spells that don't use up tools [which are limited] and an array of self-buffs to constantly spam in order to keep his skills leveled! This is good news for me! brb let me go spam the elemental wheel without tools to skill up, I might be done next year.

No offense, but comparing a NIN to a BLM is severely fallacious. NIN honestly has absolutely no need to use any ninjutsu at low levels other than Utsusemi, and even then the skills you obtain from Utsusemi are few and far in between. If you're expecting someone to spam their elemental wheel in an XP party instead of tanking normally, you have absolutely no idea how a ninja works [I'm inclined to believe].

Even then, post-50, your only real use for the elemental wheel is... procs?

...Where do you use procs anyway? Abyssea?

...VW? Gosh, I guess we have a problem then. I guess I'll just waste millions of shihei to get my skills capped then!

In all seriousness, a career ninja doesn't get his Ninjutsu capped very easily at all. Please realize this. Don't blame him for not having them capped. I understand you made a mistake in assuming he was somehow an amazing player that would effortlessly win the BCNM for you, but you'd be very surprised how many people suck at some of their jobs. Lack of knowledge implies lack of training, lack of training could easily make you aware that they do not spend a lot of time using the job, therefore their skills will be... lacking [redundancy!]?

Oh, and I've had my ninja for a long time, I still haven't finished capping ninjutsu. Sure, I have it past subjob level, but it took a very long time.

Ninja was my 3rd job to 75 some time ago. Sure, it was very expensive to play, but that fact bears no weight with the fact that myself and every Ninja since had been able to do what was asked of this guy. This is the first time I've encountered it, really.

As far as "NIN spells are unnecessary", I can tell you that's not true, either. I did use shuriken from Lv19 onward, all of my debuffs and the full wheel on my way up. Doing so, I could tank without a THF in party. Yeah, it was expensive, but if you can't afford to do it right then don't do it.

When was the last time you tanked on Ninja in a Lv12-54 classic grind party?

[Arcon]

I started to respond, but then I remembered I'm talking to someone who didn't know what Under Observation was in the first place. Silly me.

Now you've lost any and all priviledges of accusing other people of running out of arguments.

[Modoru]

I got to 65 on NIN nearing the end of Meripo era, so I can tell you, I tanked quite often. I did not need the wheel.

[Eyeballed]

I got to 65 on NIN nearing the end of Meripo era, so I can tell you, I tanked quite often. I did not need the wheel.

I just happened to say shuriken, debuffs and the wheel. I used all 3 just to be sure. So you're saying you did just fine with provoke and TP spam? And why did you stop at 65?

[Eyeballed]

Now you've lost any and all priviledges of accusing other people of running out of arguments.

Oh no, lol. Just tired of wasting my energy on people who are being deliberately obtuse.

[Demon6324236]

Oh no, lol. Just tired of wasting my energy on people who are being deliberately obtuse.

Sorry to tell you but looking at what you said...

I started to respond, but then I remembered I'm talking to someone who didn't know what Under Observation was in the first place. Silly me.

Are you not the same with current end game? You speak of how bad it is, how your leveling went the way of the dinosaurs but you have never done current endgame so far as we have heard from you. Meaning that you cant really say much about Abyssea being bad, VW being bad, or anything endgame being bad, because you have yet to try it. They don't know what UO is, but you have never tried these contents either so really what does that say about your end of the argument?

[Eyeballed]

Sorry to tell you but looking at what you said...Are you not the same with current end game? You speak of how bad it is, how your leveling went the way of the dinosaurs but you have never done current endgame so far as we have heard from you. Meaning that you cant really say much about Abyssea being bad, VW being bad, or anything endgame being bad, because you have yet to try it. They don't know what UO is, but you have never tried these contents either so really what does that say about your end of the argument?

Because I'm not arguing against endgame, that's why! I'm arguing against book-burning, afk progression, and the destruction of any need for party tactics that were once in place.

[Demon6324236]

Because I'm not arguing against endgame, that's why! I'm arguing against book-burning, afk progression, and the destruction of any need for party tactics that were once in place.

You argue against Abyssea(afk progression), which is a form of end game. A simple way to say it is I agree, leveling while doing nothing is bad, if your leveling you should be doing something. But thats the extent Ill agree, keying is ok, GoV is ok, rest is fine, just not getting something for nothing. Now on the other hand I make 1 exception to that, which is FCs and their sort. You work for the money you have every reason to level a job while not playing because you did play for the time you had to obtain said money and thus earned it.

Also while you may not argue against Endgame directly let me remind you much of endgame would be even more impossible to do without everyone being so high of level so fast because it would limit job options and available players. VW is starting to die again on my server already, and I think if leveling wasn't how it is now, it would be even worse for it, not to mention Legion, Nyzul, and all of the like. The game is admittedly not for midgame anymore, endgame is all it is, and all it should probably be after 10 years.