Non-Wiki Players

[Muse]

Before wiki we had Killing Ifrit and Alla! So I guess you can still use those if you want to be a "Non-wiki!"

[Quetzacoatl]

...How did this suddenly become an issue? Am I missing something that started all this?

THIS IS RIDICULOUS, NOTHING WILL COME OF THIS ARGUMENT

[Nala]

is it just me or have the quantity of the "Pants on Head" type threads and the size of those dome-wardly birches becoming exasperatingly inane?

[Theytak]

We need to unite.
We should declare a server to be *the one* for non-wiki players and form a Linkshell for us.
That way we know we're playing with likeminded players.

What do you (non-wiki players) think?
Wiki players, your opinion isn't particularly wanted here - I've read all the arguments for wiki playing ("stop living in the past etc.") - but this is for us.

I'm confused. How exactly does not using wiki make you different or special compared to the thousands of other players who don't use wiki because they're either too lazy, or can't because they play on a console and don't have a pc close by? Would you impose your beliefs on everyone you party with, such that you ruin their gameplay by being uninformed and useless? Are you starting from scratch with no knowledge of the game? Have you ever actually tried to do anything serious in this game without using the wiki? The only quests that are really doable are the really simple fetch quests that tell you what they want. Most of them, you have no idea and get no hints. Good luck trying to get your AF or your Limit Breaks done without using the wiki. How does intentionally forcing yourself to be too lazy to look something up on the wiki suddenly make you special? I don't get it.

I have something for you.

I totally bought a copy of this back in '04, and I still have it. It's not in great condition, but it's not falling apart. I like to thumb through it whenever I've had a bad day, and just laugh.

Before wiki we had Killing Ifrit and Alla! So I guess you can still use those if you want to be a "Non-wiki!"

All the cool kids used Erecia's CoP guide, Somepage, Mysterytour, and FFXIatlas. Wiki? pfeh.

is it just me or have the quantity of the "Pants on Head" type threads and the size of those dome-wardly birches becoming exasperatingly inane?

It's the official forums. You need to learn to stop expecting much.

[Merton9999]

could you even imagine ls chat for this

christ, even one of That Guy is bad enough

This. Not to mention constant inquiry shouts in Jeuno. I'd consult a wiki when I have a question over shouting myself any day. In comparison to the Port Jeuno mob, wiki's reply is a lot less likely to contain the word "penis".

Seriously, I suspect SE's reasoning for not giving guidance via NPCs went along with the idea of forced partying that for years required at least 6 people to do anything. Whether they expected that community info pool to originate from other players in game or an a separate wiki who knows, but I bet they deluded themselves into thinking the former would work. Having to explain the same thing to dozens of people in chat at different times, and every person giving different wrong information, ugh.

[Nala]

Lol brady guide... mine fell apart and i tossed it... kind of wish i still had it now so i could do the same theytak.

Its not that i've expected much just seems like there have been alot of threads of this... "caliber" as of late.

[Theytak]

I know some non Wiki players. They spam questions to me all day long. In fact I sarcastically refer to myself as Wiki-Vicki now on skype and vent. So sick of people who don't do any research to make themselves better players, or at least save me some wrist stress typing responses to questions like, "What are they key items for X mob", "How do i get the 3rd atma slot open in Abyssea" , etc.

I have a limit, I'll take questions from new players, especially ones who don't know about the wiki (or for some reason haven't learned by now that the first thing you do when starting a new mmo is google "[MMO's name] wiki". I'll take questions from someone I know is a console player and doesn't have a pc close by. I'll take questions from any of my friends whose first language is not english, to the point that they have trouble deciphering the wiki (though as of any time remotely recently, they're all fluent enough to get the info on their own). I'll also take questions from friends who know I happen to have the wiki open and can look it up faster than they could, if it's a quick question/answer.

For anyone else, my limit is 2 questions. 3rd question results in my giving them the answer, and then saying that they should really use the wiki. After that, I just say "I'm sure you can find the answer on wiki." I'll also give this as the answer to any question whose actual answer is far longer than I have any interest in typing out.

This. Not to mention constant inquiry shouts in Jeuno. I'd consult a wiki when I have a question over shouting myself any day. In comparison to the Port Jeuno mob, wiki's reply is a lot less likely to contain the word "penis".

Seriously, I suspect SE's reasoning for not giving guidance via NPCs went along with the idea of forced partying that for years required at least 6 people to do anything. Whether they expected that community info pool to originate from other players in game or an a separate wiki who knows, but I bet they deluded themselves into thinking the former would work. Having to explain the same thing to dozens of people in chat at different times, and every person giving different wrong information, ugh.

To be fair, in spite of it all, every time new quests get released, no matter how silly, they still typically get figured out within a month (within a week if there's only 1-2, more quests pushes the less important ones to the back).

[Merton9999]

To be fair, in spite of it all, every time new quests get released, no matter how silly, they still typically get figured out within a month (within a week if there's only 1-2, more quests pushes the less important ones to the back).

Certainly, but not everyone would be in on the knowledge, especially without a wiki. No matter what has been figured out, you'd still get questions galore form returning people, plus wrong answers, from dicks and and the ignorant alike.

[Modoru]

In the end, non-wiki people get their information from people who do browse the wiki, so by association, they use wiki.
Fuck it.

[Nyerieri]

is it just me or have the quantity of the "Pants on Head" type threads and the size of those dome-wardly birches becoming exasperatingly inane?

I agree with this statement lol. "Stop living in the past etc etc"