New Frames please?

[Theytak]

I'd be interested to know what you think is wrong. I know that calling PUP bad is a sweeping statement, but I've tried to be factually accurate in all other regards. I will amend anything that is simply incorrect.

And yeah, the post really got away from me. I'm not good at being concise. I'll probably make about 20 edits to try to get it towards reasonable levels.

Your summary of why and how pup is a bad job is inaccurate, somewhat uninformed, and demonstrates that you probably don't know much about FFXI math. Pup is not a top tier melee DD, no, we'll never out damage a mnk or a war, unless KKK get involved, but that's a separate issue, but we can easily keep up with and out pace non pure DD jobs, like thf, dnc, nin, bst, etc. We're far from the worst DD job, atm, we're sitting sort of around lower-middle.

[Balloon]

Your summary of why and how pup is a bad job is inaccurate, somewhat uninformed, and demonstrates that you probably don't know much about FFXI math. Pup is not a top tier melee DD, no, we'll never out damage a mnk or a war, unless KKK get involved, but that's a separate issue, but we can easily keep up with and out pace non pure DD jobs, like thf, dnc, nin, bst, etc. We're far from the worst DD job, atm, we're sitting sort of around lower-middle.

That paragraph was ambiguous, but it's meant to be with high level content in mind. I still think pup is a bad job for the current relevant content, but not the worst. Our innately lower attack, accuracy and the cycle delay added with the use of Maneuvers really damages our offensive output. Right off the bat we're at a disadvantage from having a lower pdif, being penalised more heavily by level correction and requiring more accuracy to cap our hit rate. When geared similarly to a mnk (http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/260946) our hitrate is uncapped against Qilin (something like 75+((540-480)/2)+2x(Level Difference) if bg is to be believed) at around 80%, which includes Aggressor and Stalwarts. It's not the worst dps, but given the same buffs jobs can pull about 200ish dps ahead. That's where our pets should closing the gap.

I'm not proficient with FF math, but I have a very basic understanding of it, enough so that I know what to gear towards and what stats effect what.

In the context of VW, and other endgamish content I'd consider THF DNC NIN BST etc to be bad jobs too.

There's not a lot of fodder content as it stands. PUP/THF is great in dynamis, but I think I'd rather take an equally well geared DNC/THF or BST/DNC. I think discussions of endgame content is more pertinent, consider that the game is currently largely focused on that content.

That stands for most 1h classes, we get absolutely slaughtered with ratio and level correction.