Oh by the way, pet TH gear?

[Camiie]

An ombudsman (conventional English plural: ombudsmen) is a person who acts as a trusted intermediary between either the state (or elements of it) or an organization, and some internal or external constituency, while representing not only but mostly the broad scope of constituent interests

I think we need one of these. The community reps are certainly NOT this.

[Ica]

Guess everyone in the original thread was right when they speculated that the gear would be impossible to obtain.

[Rezeak]

I just find it shady

When they reduced pet TH they said you will add it back via gear

As an adjustment to the balance of Treasure Hunter at level 99, the below pets will have their Treasure Hunter effect changed to Treasure Hunter I.

-Dipper Yuly
-Faithful Falcorr
※These pets will have a base of Treasure Hunter I, but by using equipment that has “Pet: Treasure Hunter +” the effect will become stronger.

Which is what we were told and it wasn't said;
We are looking into giving player pet : TH gear

It was said we will reduce TH but give pet TH gear to increase it.

Maybe it was a bad translation or w/e

Honestly the TH thing is fine as it is just feels back handed that they nerfed it while saying don't worry you'll be able to get pet: TH gear then after the nerf they like err maybe not :P

Really they should of said it like this

We are reducing the TH on pet and we will reevaluate pet TH after and we may look into pet : TH gear if we feel it wouldn't devalue the TH of other jobs.

[Phogg]

BST was never anti-social, how is it the players faults that the Devs made it simply a solo job and NEVER invited to parties?

If all THF is is TH then that is again the Devs fault for such poor game design, that's not reason to remove job traits from a pet that is said job.

You don't see them removing Cure, Phalanx, Fast Cast etc from PUP pets.

Exactly, nothing is more irritating than people who clearly don't play the job suggesting BSTs are antisocial. We can't force others to invite us to parties or events. And trust me, I spent years trying to tear down those walls and show what BST can do but was continuously met with "nanananananana im not listening nanananana your logic makes no sense to me and my simple follower mentality nanananana". I don't know how many times I was met with "it can't be done with BST" only for me to.........do it with BST.

Hell, even our divine might win at 75 would have been a loss if not for myself and my wife, as BST, having the skill to stay alive when everyone else wiped and said "meh lets try again" until we, oops, won it for everyone else with our lowly funguar pets. People even posted endless parses at 75 of BSTs out damaging "superior" DD jobs. And even then this mentality persisted, until now that we're magically overpowered and need to be nerfed because of dynamis. Lunacy.

Enjoy this AA blast from the past, BST FTW, you're welcome alliance of dead people (Best viewed full screen so you can take in the utter astonishment via chat messages):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsynXgsPOB0

[Luvbunny]

As I have said none of this would matter if they fixed the proc situation so that JA proc was not so vastly superior and consistent compared to the other options. The only reason there is a bottleneck which even creates this frustration is 90% of people crowd one of 3 possible camp/times. Even people who are not BST do it because they too are likely subbing /dnc to JA proc. Fix magic procs and fix WS procs and boom, you have three times the available mobs. None of that has anything to to with BSTs feeling entitled.

Agree with this 100%, but I doubt they are smart enough to fix this, LAZINESS seems to be the key word since 2011. Ignorance is bliss for them. By doing the fixing you are suggesting we can have tons of blue, puppetmaster, etc, and not just limited to beastmaster.

[Chuk]

So by your logic a PUP automaton with a spiritreaver head should have lower nukes than someone who subs BLM, or if they have the soulsoother head they should have less cures than someone who subs WHM?

The complaints about the pet TH was mainly due to Dynamis and not any other part of the game, and instead of fixing the problem which was the proc system it was easier to nerf BST.

I have never seen a situation where BST was chosen for a party over THF because people wanted TH, so how did pet TH cramp a THF.

Lets take a moment to actually think about that one for a second. What i said about subjob use, is that Beastmaster was getting Treasure Hunter above what another player could get by subbing THF. Without taking gear or anything else into accound, Beastmaster could sub anything they wanted and still get treasure hunter 3 without penatly. That cramps on Thieves pretty heavily considering that WITHOUT GEAR, all they get is Tresure hunter 3. So your telling me that a job thats all about emnity adjustment, damage dealing, and treasure gathering skills should just step aside because a job with a resummonable damage dealing tank should also get massive treasure hunting ability without sacraficing their supportjob slot?

Also not sure how the PUP thing relates, and Puppets are pretty cool, but not nearly as good as having an actual BLM or WHM on spot. Restricions in the AI set them apart from a human being.

And to adress the Dymanis part, thats just a prime example. Treasure Hunter works everywhere last i checked, so do we really need armies of Beastmasters camping every NM that has a sellable item in the game? Thats the RMT connection, lets face it, Treasure Hunter pets can be resummoned over and over again. A real THF or someone subbed THF can't just die and pop back up as if nothing happened. Thats a MAJOR game flaw.

Oh and on a side note, SMN can deal plenty of damage too, so pet jobs are worth inviting if the player using them knows what they are doing. I have done plenty of pet jobs in parties, but they are by no means an easy job to play.

As for RMTs, yeah fell cleave is nice, but im pretty sure thats not their only source of income. Think about it. (That ones for the guy who questioned how RMT is related to this.)

[Daniel_Hatcher]

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So not only are you basing it on a THF being completely naked, but you're also doing so on a THF attacking once then disengaging. That's very unrealistic.

[Zagen]

Oh and on a side note, SMN can deal plenty of damage too, so pet jobs are worth inviting if the player using them knows what they are doing. I have done plenty of pet jobs in parties, but they are by no means an easy job to play.

Let me know the next time a PUP or BST gets into a relevant current event for more than procs, or a SMN for more than Perfect Defense and procs. Pet jobs do damage they don't however do "plenty of damage" unless you somehow have only leveled 1 job at this point in the game and it's BST, SMN, or PUP.

Edit: They never did "plenty of damage" even at 75 the only thing the did damage wise was do nearly hate free damage.

[Dethard]

Lets take a moment to actually think about that one for a second. What i said about subjob use, is that Beastmaster was getting Treasure Hunter above what another player could get by subbing THF. Without taking gear or anything else into accound, Beastmaster could sub anything they wanted and still get treasure hunter 3 without penatly. That cramps on Thieves pretty heavily considering that WITHOUT GEAR, all they get is Tresure hunter 3. So your telling me that a job thats all about emnity adjustment, damage dealing, and treasure gathering skills should just step aside because a job with a resummonable damage dealing tank should also get massive treasure hunting ability without sacraficing their supportjob slot?

Also not sure how the PUP thing relates, and Puppets are pretty cool, but not nearly as good as having an actual BLM or WHM on spot. Restricions in the AI set them apart from a human being.

And to adress the Dymanis part, thats just a prime example. Treasure Hunter works everywhere last i checked, so do we really need armies of Beastmasters camping every NM that has a sellable item in the game? Thats the RMT connection, lets face it, Treasure Hunter pets can be resummoned over and over again. A real THF or someone subbed THF can't just die and pop back up as if nothing happened. Thats a MAJOR game flaw.

Oh and on a side note, SMN can deal plenty of damage too, so pet jobs are worth inviting if the player using them knows what they are doing. I have done plenty of pet jobs in parties, but they are by no means an easy job to play.

As for RMTs, yeah fell cleave is nice, but im pretty sure thats not their only source of income. Think about it. (That ones for the guy who questioned how RMT is related to this.)

Where the PUP relates is that as you say the PUP may be cool but not the same as having a real BLM or WHM, well the same can be said for THF, the BST with pet TH3 may be cool but in reality not as good as having a THF with appropriate gear in party. You don't see many PUP's subbing WHM and then calling a soulsoother automaton.

And anyone who expected to be invited to party as THF would need more than the basic TH3 and that was even before TH pets were out so using a THF without any gear for comparison and saying they are cramped is a bit moot.

[SpankWustler]

Realistically, Camate was probably copying and pasting a bad translation and didn't have any more insight into the minds of the Development Bros than we did at the time. It sounded like there were definite plans to release Pet TH gear (to both him and us), but apparently there weren't.

Pretty much this.

Until one of the Community Bros makes a post about how the giant insects are coming over for blood-tea, and as of such, the CoP rings are finally being updated for level 99 to prevent the feet-people of Neptune from listening to our brain radios; I'll assume their insight into the Development process is based on whatever gets translated and sent their way.

Given that sometimes the stuff in the actual game isn't even translated accurately the first time, it's safe to say those translations aren't foolproof. Also, something as simple as a mistranslation of future perfect tense to future tense could drastically change a message.

Oh, and Camate, if you ever gain that insight into the Development Bros' thought process...Giant ants prefer chamomile with infant blood while giant mantises prefer Earl Grey with midget blood and two sugars. No cream.