To: Mr Akihiko Matsui

[cidbahamut]

(TL)
telling hime what he needed to get, and the location of the quest giver. What would have taken him probable 30 min of reading, took me 5 min to write. If you ask the right questions you will get the right replies.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ffxi+fame
3rd result.
That does not take a half hour.

Wiki is an excellent resource and new players should be encouraged to make use of it.

[Trisscar]

I've played quite a few MMOs as well so I'll give you a gamer protip:

Those who say "rose tinted goggles!" or "nostalgia" are the ones who've only played 1 MMORPG ever or find it the cool thing to hate on FFXI just because. No one who has ever played more than 1 MMO for a certain amount of time would say it's nostalgia or failing to see the truth because the truth of the matter is, FFXI even though used EQ as a base for MMO systems, was one of the best designed MMORPGs out, especially for when it came out. No other MMO had a tangible storyline that you could actually progress through, it's usually implied.

I've played upwards of 10+ Mud/MMOs for at least 2 years at a time and none have come close to what XI accomplished in it's prime, whether you like or hated it you can't deny what it's done.

So people can fling around "rose tinted goggles" and "nostalgia" all they want, those who've played more than 1 MMO will know it's not nostalgia at all talking, it's simple fact of the matter, MMO gamers these days hate to work for anything, they hate putting in time and effort, this is why a lot of people hated Abyssea for example, not because of nostalgia for the old, but because it just trivialized playing an MMORPG.

I call poisoning the well and ad hoc reasoning here. The fact of the matter is that it would be difficult to get together a functioning old school party of six to stay together for any length of time, perhaps much harder than it was long before Aby came along and streamlined the leveling process.

This is done without isolating any jobs, a huge problem before Aby came about. Now we have one of the most streamlined and hassle free leveling systems of any MMO out there.

And yes, it is very much 'rose tinted glasses' the way people talk about old school partying and I don't miss it any despite one of my most memorable parties having been an old school party.

[Rosina]

@ elexia

I fully agree with you. I played WoW for 2 years Mabinogi on and off for a year Aion for 6 mnths, Lustrion for a year (the closest community to that of ffxi b4)

Also i do not think speed leveling in 2 caves, then a time restricted field THEN skilling up is efficient.

Thays just leveling fast being lazy then going back.

Max cap was and should be when you have mastered your job. anything b4 max cap should be your learning. There is a HUGE differece between learning ur job, and practicing content. And one shouldn't learn their job from a third party website reading that seems so silly. You don't learn to bake cakes solely reading a recipie... you become better by taking what you learn through personal experince and tweeking it. I've been playing rpgs well before Aol. Honestly its like people are robots... all they do is follow what a third party site tells them. Where is the fun in they?

If you wonder why I think the way I do, was I grew up being taught to think outside the box.

[Rosina]

I call poisoning the well and ad hoc reasoning here. The fact of the matter is that it would be difficult to get together a functioning old school party of six to stay together for any length of time, perhaps much harder than it was long before Aby came along and streamlined the leveling process.

This is done without isolating any jobs, a huge problem before Aby came about. Now we have one of the most streamlined and hassle free leveling systems of any MMO out there.

And yes, it is very much 'rose tinted glasses' the way people talk about old school partying and I don't miss it any despite one of my most memorable parties having been an old school party.

thats fault of the player base.... not the game. I had freaky party set ups run well. Its all on how patient the players are... the noobs who b-- and moaned couldn't get things done took over. That basically what i feel is what happen. Now the game is full of lazy ppl who insult the older playerbase.

[Lynchilles]

There is a HUGE differece between learning ur job, and practicing content. And one shouldn't learn their job from a third party website reading that seems so silly. You don't learn to bake cakes solely reading a recipie... you become better by taking what you learn through personal experince and tweeking it.

Why do you insist that there is only one right way people can learn something?

People learn things in different ways, or sometimes not at all.

I learn things better by reading about them first, and then putting what I learn into practice. That's the way I've always been in both life and in video games/rpgs. Am I wrong for learning that way? Please tell me.

I think I speak for a lot of people here when I say I really wish you would stop posting since you are so narrow-minded and constantly abuse inferential logic.

[Chuk]

Well its funny to see this thread. Again. <insert funny picture of famous person with MSpainted quote about thread>

Hi guys, I just wanted to throw my two cents in and maybe throw a little perspective about parties, exp, and the people that play.

First off, I am going to say that I of all people COMPLETELY DETEST AND DESPISE the old method of leveling. I was a PLD, a RDM, a THF, a WAR, and even sometimes a SAM (for those who remember when skillchains and magic bursts were pretty top dog for exp) and seeking for party was painful. Half the time, there wasn't a healer available or extra support. No redmage refresh? Oh snap WHM doesnt want to party now. Bard poped up? Nope, he doesn't like that we have a THF and we will not make the famous 8k an hour. Those days sucked. It was like waiting for all the planets to align just to finally have a chance to party, and then making mad prayers that the camp your party qualified for was available. Seriously, ask yourself why on earth you would want to play a game set up like that? I did somehow without losing all sense of sanity. But let me tell ya, it was not as fun as it is now. Exp is easy, and its fun because if I want exp or merits, I can go out and get it. Best part? I dont NEED to assemble a party to do it with. I can go solo, or I can as my friends/linkshell members "Hey who wants to get some exp/merits?" Now thats what I call a game! A game I can PLAY WITH MY FRIENDS.

So like it or not, the change in how we level up has changed, and theres no reason at all to even consider stepping back to the anti-social abyss of "old school" leveling. In fact its ironic, NOTHING HAS CHANGED IN THE WAY WE KILL THINGS FOR EXP. It is still the same party make-ups, same tactics, and same process. You still need to auto attack the target, Weaponskill when available, use jobabilities/magic to survive, rinse and repeat. Thats a pretty boring process. At least these days, its isn't me targeting my 1 billionth crab or bird. Praise everything good and holy that we can actually go out and be rewarded for fighting other things in life. I will tell you what has changed though. PEOPLE ARE LESS EDUCATED ABOUT HOW TO FIGHT A MOB THAN HOW TO PARTY. Every time i see someone die to a casting mob or something that paralyzes with a potent paralyze etc. my first thought is "oh man they didn't really know how to handle the situation." Usually turns out to be true as my friends and I procceed to pick them up off the ground. And thats the difference between "old school" and "new school." One group has combat experience in fighting all types of mobs, the other has only seen what GoV and Abyssea parties target. Luckily thats an easy fix for most players, just go out and EXPLORE the game. The wiki is nice, but only experience will teach you how to better yourself.

Well since this turned out to be a wall of text, I think I will write a final paragraph in conclusion to my long winded post. Im going to say this right now, as I read these forums, I oft see many people picking at each other and their posts. Now I am all for defeating bad information, but at the same time lets not rag on peoples ability to type or spell or anything. It really destroys the community and really hurts everyone overall. ALSO, if you are the target of said attacks, YOU NEED TO ALSO TAKE THE INITIATIVE to not respond to such attacks and draw out an arguement over said attacks. As a person who was bullied for many years as a child, I share this tidbit of wisdom. Fighting back in the same way only fuels the fire.

Thank you for reading.
~Chuk

[cidbahamut]

Max cap was and should be when you have mastered your job. anything b4 max cap should be your learning. There is a HUGE differece between learning ur job, and practicing content.

I mastered my job before hitting the level cap. I was better at my job before the level cap than most players who'd been playing the job for years at cap were. There's nothing special about hitting the level cap in terms of player progression. It's just a number. Sure there's sentimental value to it, but that's about it really.

And one shouldn't learn their job from a third party website reading that seems so silly.

I'm better than most because I spent time on those sites reading and learning. I know it's cliché, but knowledge really is power.

[FrankReynolds]

I've played quite a few MMOs as well so I'll give you a gamer protip:

Those who say "rose tinted goggles!" or "nostalgia" are the ones who've only played 1 MMORPG ever or find it the cool thing to hate on FFXI just because. No one who has ever played more than 1 MMO for a certain amount of time would say it's nostalgia or failing to see the truth because the truth of the matter is, FFXI even though used EQ as a base for MMO systems, was one of the best designed MMORPGs out, especially for when it came out. No other MMO had a tangible storyline that you could actually progress through, it's usually implied.

I've played upwards of 10+ Mud/MMOs for at least 2 years at a time and none have come close to what XI accomplished in it's prime, whether you like or hated it you can't deny what it's done.

So people can fling around "rose tinted goggles" and "nostalgia" all they want, those who've played more than 1 MMO will know it's not nostalgia at all talking, it's simple fact of the matter, MMO gamers these days hate to work for anything, they hate putting in time and effort, this is why a lot of people hated Abyssea for example, not because of nostalgia for the old, but because it just trivialized playing an MMORPG.

You don't have to spend ten years playing every MMO under the sun to know that sitting in jeuno with your flag up for weeks on end isn't fun. I'm sorry that you are a slow learner. There is a difference between being lazy and not wanting to waste time on trivial crap. The old method is still available. The reason you can't find others to do it with you isn't because they are smart enough to know not to do something they don't like if they don't have to.

Funny you ask. What happened was I quit XI and deleted my character a few weeks before the release of FFXIV. Now I'm back. I quit that game only because you can cap a job in a single day and there is virtually no mid-game. Perhaps you'd be better off sticking to asking questions rather than jumping to conclusions.

Funny... So, you are a hypocrite who got bored of the game and quit before abyssea even became the norm. Congratulations. You are proof that the old leveling methods needed to be changed.

[Twille]

So, you are a hypocrite who got bored of the game and quit before abyssea even became the norm. Congratulations. You are proof that the old leveling methods needed to be changed.

Quoted for truth. Things are better the way they are now, in my opinion.

[Camiie]

Every sense eye started reeding theez forumz eye have notised that peeple who reelly like old skool partiez and HNMs have bad languge skillz. Eye hop they r batter n game then they r on four rums.