Oh by the way, pet TH gear?

[Aldersyde]

To those bitching about the "promise":

Take off your idiot fanboy goggles. There WASN'T a promise.

The post says

"※These pets will have a base of Treasure Hunter I, but by using equipment that has “Pet: Treasure Hunter +” the effect will become stronger."

It does not say

"These pets will have a base of Treasure Hunter I, but equipment will be release that has "Pet: Treasure Hunter +" which enhances the effect".

Fail.

You could only come to a conclusion like this by totally disregarding context. You either totally fail at reading comprehension or you're just stupid. Pick one.

[Luvbunny]

Yup back to their usual crappy self already, empty promises, crappy contents, delusional developers who think they are always right. Seems like the taste of FF14 circa 2010 still lingers over there in the office. Don't hope too much for the new expansion, seems like the new vision is "lie, cheat, steal" from the players. The new 2 hours that are proposed are just further proof that after all these years, they still learn absolutely nothing. Unless they really really really want us to ditch this game and mover over to FF14.... Vote with your wallet, our opinions do not matter.

[Zagen]

This is the reason why game producers generally don't talk to the public about what they have planned. Too many take what's said as what -will- happen instead of what is being debated on. Nothing that's said is set in stone and it shouldn't be taken at face value since everything's in flux. Anything that someone of an importance says always ends up being overblown and taken out of proportion, which ultimately leads to speculation, rumors and misinformation.

Quoting Camate's earlier post only says that Camate was told to say so-and-so's current plans for the game. Until something's been put into the release notes, everything said by GMs and developers are just plans, not things already being produced.

Okipuit's post is not saying that there isn't a chance of treasure hunter gear for BST in the future. It's saying that they're making no promises, and that nothing said in the past can be taken as a guarantee that something's happening.

Don't be blaming the new producer already for this. This is a plan that was under effect ever since Tanaka's producer's days. Him being in office for not even a day doesn't make him automatically the root of all problem.

You're right they shouldn't have said anything. But instead of saying something like:

"We are sorry after further research we have decided giving pets more than TH 1 would be over powered in our design"

They chose to lie about it.

Neither situation would sit well with the BST player base but denying something that was implied by a previous statement creates a lack of trust.

[Zhronne]

There was more than 1 post from Camate concerning the introduction of Pet:TH gear, not just the one quoted on page 1 of this thread.
That's no promise of course, but at least a clarification like "After thorough internal tests we have decided not to create such gear" would be welcome, instead of keeping it silent hoping nobody would remember.
It wasn't a promise maybe, but it wasn't a generic remote possibility-mentioning either. Posts and claims, while not mandatory-binding statements, were very specific and not just some generic talking.

Bringing the pet TH effect to at least TH2 would have been a better compromise imho, be it with gear or anything else.
If you don't want to do it anymore then fine, but saying "Tch tch, no promise about it" is like trolling.
It's like admitting that you never had intention to add it, but used it as an excuse to make the pill sweeter for the BSTs
Not blaming Okuipuit or anything, he's just a messenger of course, but still I consider the last message he delivered in this thread pretty unacceptable.

Especially considering how other jobs going /THF can easily reach TH3, a DNC/THF for example.
Now of course an average DNC/THF isn't as "powerful" as an average BST inside Dynamis solo, but that's another issue.

[Arcon]

Especially considering how other jobs going /THF can easily reach TH3, a DNC/THF for example.
Now of course an average DNC/THF isn't as "powerful" as an average BST inside Dynamis solo, but that's another issue.

No it's not, it's precisely the same issue. It sounds like you're not aware that BST can also sub THF to get TH3. And they'd gimp themselves even less by doing that compared to other jobs. DNC has to signifantly gimp their killspeed if they want TH2 while BST gets TH1 for free and optionally TH2 from sub as well, for less cost than DNC.

[Juilan]

WHats next small pox?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Indian_Wars
Im not a fan boy of SE, actually I'm starting to loathe how they maintain games... and produce current ones (WHY DOES FINAL FANTASY 13-2 HAVE MORE THAN HALF ITS STUFF AS PAID DLC)
Ungimp the pet TH so we no longer have gimp thf friends playing with gimp bst in dynamis.

[Alistaire]

You could only come to a conclusion like this by totally disregarding context. You either totally fail at reading comprehension or you're just stupid. Pick one.

It can't be both?

In any case this is a pretty callous way for SE to approach the subject even if they're not considering " but by using equipment that has “Pet: Treasure Hunter +” the effect will become stronger" to be a promise (in the context it's very close to one).

If they'd decided Pet: TH+ gear wasn't going to happen as stated it should've been announced they decided that they weren't going to go ahead with it afterall; not a rude post by an official claiming ignorance of the original post.

[Zhronne]

No it's not, it's precisely the same issue. It sounds like you're not aware that BST can also sub THF to get TH3. And they'd gimp themselves even less by doing that compared to other jobs. DNC has to signifantly gimp their killspeed if they want TH2 while BST gets TH1 for free and optionally TH2 from sub as well, for less cost than DNC.

I think I'm missing something important from your post.
Yeah of course BST can go /THF and get TH3, but how is he going to proc JA mobs without /DNC and wielding a single weapon and a shield?
DNC/THF is not really a big difference compared to... to what? /NIN? Provides no additional damage than /THF.
You mean /WAR maybe? DA is nice but doesn't stack with Saberdance, +10 attack is nice, Berserk is cool 3mins every 5.

I think most jobs can't efficiently /THF in Dynamis (I'm talking solo of course, not duoing) because they wouldn't have means to reliably proc or survive.
DNC can definitely do that, so can PUP and other jobs as well, but not all can afford to do it.


What I was trying to say is that an averagely skilled/geared BST will have it much easier than a similarly skilled/equipped DNC/THF.
Especially if you play with low amount of attention.
I can't count the number of times I accidentally made unwanted trains of 3-4 mobs, even more probably, and survived no problem with my BST even with the old July/Falcorr (before they buffed them after the TH1 patch).
You just can allow yourself to play more relaxedly. Pulling TEs on BST is so easy.
The times I went on DNC I had much more issues, and I think many of those situations where I easily survived on BST playing with one hand would have gave me serious troubles on DNC, or even killed me.

That's what I was trying to say, I supposed this is part of the reason why SE tried to "balance" BST, because it was just too easy/efficient to solo dyna on BST compared to other jobs.
They kept the same level of difficulty (if anything they made it even easier by powering up pets) but in return they reduced our TH.
Not saying it was fair, that it didn't made me go apeshit or anything else, just saying that I believe these were the reasons behind their actions.

[Camiie]

No it's not, it's precisely the same issue. It sounds like you're not aware that BST can also sub THF to get TH3. And they'd gimp themselves even less by doing that compared to other jobs. DNC has to signifantly gimp their killspeed if they want TH2 while BST gets TH1 for free and optionally TH2 from sub as well, for less cost than DNC.

BST gets TH1 for free? Bzzzt. I'm sorry that's incorrect. BSTs have to pay gil for it each and every time.

I kind of have mixed feelings about this. While it's frightening to see just how far gone SE are it is offset by the fact that BST gets shafted, at least a little bit.

How sociopathic of you. What is it about a generally low-tier job getting "shafted" that makes you feel good?

[Camiie]

After thorough review, we are starting to see the results we intended to meet, so there are no plans to make any further Treasure Hunter adjustments to these pets.

Just what results were those exactly? Fewer BSTs in Dynamis? Less loot in circulation? Please elaborate.

We definitely understand the intense discussions these changes have brought about, especially regarding obtaining currency through Dynamis and Beastmaster's qualities, but please understand that the these adjustments were necessary after reviewing the drop results.

So is there really that much less currency in circulation now? Or did you guys just not approve of BST being a large source of this currency whereas it's OK for other jobs to rake it in like there's no tomorrow?

There was no promise to create gear that would counter the reduction of treasure hunter on beastmaster pets Dipper Yuly and Faithful Falcorr.

For what Camate said to be true, Pet: TH gear would have to be created as there currently is none in the game that we know of. I'm not that great at math, but something doesn't add up here. There's a very serious discrepancy between what he said and what you're saying. You see the problem?