DRK is 3x more OP than vanilla WAR's Ukko's Fury

[wish12oz]

w/ Legion we found DRK would destroy WARs mainly cause we PDed every mob and you can use Mighty strikes once but you can use Souleater every 5-6 mins.

Teach your WARs to cycle Blood rage and you can keep it up 100% of every fight, that levels the playing field between WAR and DRK white damage, but WAR still has the superior 2 hour, Stronger WS, and sometimes loltomahawk.

The argument though was that WAR as better with a Ragnarok then a DRK was which is pretty false. There is nothing about Ragnarok that favors WAR over DRK, DRK's higher skill gives it more Attack / Acc with a Rag.

A 99 Ukon is also better than a 99 Ragnarok for WAR, except for some situations where mighty strikes is active. I dunno why you guys keep talking about GS WAR, but thats not what good WARs use 99% of the time.

And ya, Ragnarok is only better for WAR than DRK when Mighty Strikes is up, normally its not.

Anyone understand that? it's all just numbers to me with no explanation of what they mean

+1

i'm getting kind of tired of seeing the endless drk's with great swords in jueno from the community forcing it down their throats.

I also get tired of seeing people try and do the best they can, and not using lame scythes just cause they look darker and more goth/emo/whatever the crybaby kids are into and calling it these days like its a new trend.

[Detzu]

Teach your WARs to cycle Blood rage and you can keep it up 100% of every fight, that levels the playing field between WAR and DRK white damage, but WAR still has the superior 2 hour, Stronger WS, and sometimes loltomahawk.



A 99 Ukon is also better than a 99 Ragnarok for WAR, except for some situations where mighty strikes is active. I dunno why you guys keep talking about GS WAR, but thats not what good WARs use 99% of the time.

And ya, Ragnarok is only better for WAR than DRK when Mighty Strikes is up, normally its not.



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I also get tired of seeing people try and do the best they can, and not using lame scythes just cause they look darker and more goth/emo/whatever the crybaby kids are into and calling it these days like its a new trend.

I'm getting tired of people eyeballing on resolution dmg but aren't looking their white dmg/speed.

[wish12oz]

I'm getting tired of people eyeballing on resolution dmg but aren't looking their white dmg/speed.

I'm not entirely sure what I said that you have a problem with, or why you think you can talk about 'eyeballing' and provide nothing to prove you're right, but perhaps you could be more specific and then get back to me so I can prove you wrong. All I'm saying is:

For WAR, Ukkos Fury will pull ahead of Resolution unless youre using mighty strikes, because it has a superior TP set or hit build or both, and will do barely less actual damage, which will amount to more damage over time because you will do more Ukkos than you would of done Resolutions.

Having WARs and using Blood rage on every mob in Legion will keep up with/surpass the gains from using Souleater every third mob.

The best WAR will outparse the best DRK.

Which of these do you have a problem with exactly?

[Rezeak]

The best WAR will outparse the best DRK.

I disagree on this

personally i hate statements that A > B
back in abyssea where crit WS were king and Ukkos was the god of crit WSs this was true.

As far as I can tell atm

WAR is on the same level as DRK.

Either way WAR SAM and DRK are the top DDs in the game atm

As for my opinion SAM give me more competition than WARs

Now for the blood rage thing don't forget these 2 things Ragnarok has a 14% Crit rate bonus @ 99 and in Full buff situations DRK can have 15% haste in gear and stack DA TA QA and Crit rate depending on situation or even Dt gear if PD drops.

[StingRay104]

Now for the blood rage thing don't forget these 2 things Ragnarok has a 14% Crit rate bonus @ 99 and in Full buff situations DRK can have 15% haste in gear and stack DA TA QA and Crit rate depending on situation or even Dt gear if PD drops.

I find it interesting that back in the good ole days of 75, people who had Ragnarok put its crit rate at 15-20%. Now at level 99 its crit rate went from 15-20% to 14%. Perhaps wiki is just full of crap like usual.

As for the whole WAR vs DRK thing, heres my input. After taking a year off and getting back into the game I have found DRK only slightly better than when I left. I still see war performing basically the same. So neither of these jobs has progressed a reasonable fashion in the last year. This is a problem because war was overpowered when I left by a large margin, although I know it has been nerfed and since most endgame left abyssea it has had less impact on the endgame events. DRK has only progressed by getting a decent GS ws, which is not as strong as it needs to be still. SAM on the otherhand has become a very fluent job that works well with its design, however Tachi Godmode is broken. I think (and here comes the idea I've been stating for 2+years now) that DRK needs a major boost, as well as a clearly defined role. It is supposed to be about huge damage for great risk, and about weakening its enemies while strengthening itself. War is supposed to be a Jack of all trades, meaning it can tank if needed, while still offering comparable damage. Who knows maybe since FFXI is in the hands of the most awesome guy ever Akihiko Matsui we will finally see the adjustments we've been asking for, or perhaps they will make Rune Fencer so epic I could care less about DRK, I do love GS, always have been a GS DRK and always will, granted I do love my Twilight Scythe.

[wish12oz]

Ragnarok has a 14% Crit rate bonus @ 99

This is where I stopped caring what you think, because you outted yourself as having no idea whats going on. No intelligent DRK would ever use scourge.

[saevel]

This is where I stopped caring what you think, because you outted yourself as having no idea whats going on. No intelligent DRK would ever use scourge.

He's not talking about Scourge, that's only +5% crit rate. He's talking about the "Increases rate of Critical Hits V" that's on the weapon. At 95 it's +11% at 99 it's +14% and is a bonus that's always in effect.

WAR, DRK and SAM are about even depending on the situation. Like always WAR and DRK respond better to buffs while SAM tends to smack into a glass ceiling. Some scenarios favor WAR (legion), others favor DRK (voidwatch), in any situation your going to have multiple of both. They perform best when their in the same party for Chaos + Fighters.

GS has always had good melee damage, GS weaponskills sucked in the past which forced DRK's to use Guilly and WAR's to stick with RR. Now that a 5-hit 100% STR Great Sword WS exists both jobs can effectively use GS. Its just another tool in the toolbox of a good DD (who always has multiple ways of dealing death and destruction).

[scaevola]

This is where I stopped caring what you think, because you outted yourself as having no idea whats going on. No intelligent DRK would ever use scourge.

you are the living end, i swear

[wish12oz]

you are the living end, i swear

wwwwwwwwwwww

But really, I dunno why I was thinking that was the Scourge aftermath.

[Rezeak]

This is where I stopped caring what you think, because you outted yourself as having no idea whats going on. No intelligent DRK would ever use scourge.

Stuff like that is why i said

As for WAR w/ Ukon vs DRK w/ Ragna i'd rather not discuss that on a forum

Because of the way it gets

(Die hard DRK) DRK is better
(Die hard WAR) WAR is better
and repeat x 100.

In my opinion and from experience

As far as I've seen w/ legion DRKs do more DMG than WARs and i don't think cycling blood rage would change that but maybe we have alot of bad WARs on my server either way we are clearing legion and honestly that all that matters.

If we are winning by choosing DRKs over WARs (or our ukon wars going ragna drk cause they do more dmg that way) then it's the way it'll stay for our group anyway and like saev said we'll still have 1 cause the fighters roll bonus is worth it and it's not like there dealing bad dmg anyway.

and after all that i still don't want to say DRK > WAR cause it could be the WARs suck or that pple on our server only know how to play DRK or Ragnarok has a hidden effect if ya on the Ragnarok server but at the end of the day pple should have an open mind try w/ lots of WAR then lots of DRK and pick whats best for the group. also not to mention i don't have a 99 ukon and 99 rag so my opinion will definitely be onesided anyway.