Bring back Long spawn/Rare WORLD HNM but put drops in legion/einherjar/other bc also

[mikeh]

jobs + mules

I also have support and healing mules.. Not sure what you're getting at here?

I have a berk-1 but i'm in no rush to get an ebody. I'll wait for it from Odin. Not gunna waste money on hogg pops.

Got my ukon 2 days ago, I only equipped it an hour ago. It'll get 99 soon enough!

Maybe if you got that, you could get up to my level.

Hahaha, I passed your level about 3 years ago.

I'd chuckle too if someone so pointedly said everything my LS did.

Baseless rumors are awesome!

Well.. Well I er... saw your shell buy a $10,000 bot and quit cause they couldn't beat CoP..

[wish12oz]

Not sure what you're getting at here?

I'm pointing out that you tried to criticize my job selection, when my job selection is better than yours. I'm not sure how you could of missed this, maybe you're not so smart after all.

I have a berk-1 but i'm in no rush to get an ebody. I'll wait for it from Odin. Not gunna waste money on hogg pops.

Keep doing those Odin II's, Im sure you'll get lucky in 4 months. Then 4 months later maybe you can afford a cursed breastplate -1 and some p tatters too. Either way, this is much longer than the "less than a week" you said you'd need to get your WAR up to where mine is.

Got my ukon 2 days ago, I only equipped it an hour ago. It'll get 99 soon enough!

Hahaha, I passed your level about 3 years ago.

I'm sure you did, thats why you just spent so much time trying to undermine me to try and invalidate the things I said, because you know that's the only way you can even attempt to.

[mikeh]

Your job selection is more or less exactly the same as mine, only the only good thing you have going for you is warrior and ninja, while i have a whole lot more. If you wanna get multiple characters involved I also have a empy cor + relic bard mule, but that's not fair on you.

Are you trying to imply it's hard to get a Pbody, or that i couldn't afford one lol? I could afford about 5 of them.

I undermined you because i was bored and you have no credible information other than "You must have bought a bot, i have a mule!". You're way too easy.

Also, you're a terrible whitemage. 5 minutes of your stream was enough to make me cringe.

[Tunasushi]

The thing is, I didn't offer that opinion...you put it in my mouth and then made an argument against it. When you start seeing things in my words that aren't there, that's delusional.

You think you're putting players who don't want HNM on equal footing by implementing events which offer the same items. The thing is, it's not equal footing at all because pro-HNM people can, and will, the new event as well, to increase the chance of getting the item. You can't mathematically deny that a person doing both events will have an overall advantage over a person doing one. I know I'm repeating myself here but it appears you didn't really get the message the first time.

Learn to read better and/or stop building strawmans.

That argument is so ridiculous. Are you for real?

No duh someone who does several things at once will get something faster. The people and shells who do both will get the items faster than a person or group ho just camps or does einherjar.

Someone who did both einherjar and kings probably got king gear faster than someone who just did kings. So your point is? My point is, einherjar put people on equal footing to those who did kings.

Anyone could take part in HNM camping same as einherjar. People just don't want too camp monsters with long spawn timers, against others.

As someone posted in another thread, the botting point is irrelevant to most of these players. They could make an HNM damn near unbottable and the same people who complain about every endgame event under the altana sun would still complain and moan and groan.

You know what, I'm gonna shut this argument down right now!

SE can make it so if you've killed the same monster in the free world, you can't take part in the bc with the same gear. THERE EQUAL FOOTING. But, again, you peoplewill probably make up some bs argument and or excuse to why it's unfair.

I don't buy the "bots and cheaters" bandwagon, and I don't buy the "It's so unfair to me!" bandwagon.

People don't want to wait for gear, they don't wanna compete for it, and they def do not want someone having or being able to do something they feel is outside their willingness or time to do. That's the issue, which brings me back to my point:

enjoy the content YOU can do, and enjoy. You are not entitled to every piece of gear. That goes for cheaters too.

[Randwolf]

I'm pointing out that you tried to criticize my job selection, when my job selection is better than yours. I'm not sure how you could of missed this, maybe you're not so smart after all.



Keep doing those Odin II's, Im sure you'll get lucky in 4 months. Then 4 months later maybe you can afford a cursed breastplate -1 and some p tatters too. Either way, this is much longer than the "less than a week" you said you'd need to get your WAR up to where mine is.



I'm sure you did, thats why you just spent so much time trying to undermine me to try and invalidate the things I said, because you know that's the only way you can even attempt to.

Your job selection is more or less exactly the same as mine, only the only good thing you have going for you is warrior and ninja, while i have a whole lot more. If you wanna get multiple characters involved I also have a empy cor + relic bard mule, but that's not fair on you.

Are you trying to imply it's hard to get a Pbody, or that i couldn't afford one lol? I could afford about 5 of them.

I undermined you because i was bored and you have no credible information other than "You must have bought a bot, i have a mule!". You're way too easy.

Also, you're a terrible whitemage. 5 minutes of your stream was enough to make me cringe.

Go Go Gadget Epeen!

[Nala]

Yay pissing contests that are off topic from the latest "we want to out bot" elite wanna be thread.

[Demon6324236]

Cant say I didn't try to stop it...

[Aldersyde]

That argument is so ridiculous. Are you for real?

No duh someone who does several things at once will get something faster. The people and shells who do both will get the items faster than a person or group ho just camps or does einherjar.

Someone who did both einherjar and kings probably got king gear faster than someone who just did kings. So your point is? My point is, einherjar put people on equal footing to those who did kings.

Anyone could take part in HNM camping same as einherjar. People just don't want too camp monsters with long spawn timers, against others.

As someone posted in another thread, the botting point is irrelevant to most of these players. They could make an HNM damn near unbottable and the same people who complain about every endgame event under the altana sun would still complain and moan and groan.

You know what, I'm gonna shut this argument down right now!

SE can make it so if you've killed the same monster in the free world, you can't take part in the bc with the same gear. THERE EQUAL FOOTING. But, again, you peoplewill probably make up some bs argument and or excuse to why it's unfair.

I don't buy the "bots and cheaters" bandwagon, and I don't buy the "It's so unfair to me!" bandwagon.

People don't want to wait for gear, they don't wanna compete for it, and they def do not want someone having or being able to do something they feel is outside their willingness or time to do. That's the issue, which brings me back to my point:

enjoy the content YOU can do, and enjoy. You are not entitled to every piece of gear. That goes for cheaters too.

The only BS arguments I'm hearing are those being trotted out by HNM supporters for why SE should bring them back. I found Habu obnoxious in previous threads but at least I can appreciate his honesty in being an unrepentant, exclusionary wad.

I could try to clarify my position again but you'd just respond with a ramble on whatever, arguing against things I didn't say and without regard to things I actually did say.

Just gonna have to agree to disagree. You'll probably take that as you 'winning' or something. Go ahead and take it, if you really need it that bad.

[Rosina]

hey tuna..

ur the biggest so and so i've seen on here..

what will it take for u to realise that ppl do want hnmk content just ur short sightedness og how to have hnm content is whats getting under ppls skin..

when will u guys learn content is more then the reward, it is something to do with friends... faux pvp is pointless and is what really dragged ffxi into a dark time. Due to hnm and old way endgame was i stop'ed doing it. I got tired of both the claim war drama, amd LS drop drama. I have enough drama in my life. I just wanna play a fun game. If u want competition do ballista or brenner. Its actually very fun.

as for botting mik, if ur innocent just declar ur innocence... not drag a person down. all ur doing is being a bit of a childish brat. (not an insult just pointing it how it looks) which does infact make u look guilty. Ur trying to discredit widh over jobs and gear is not making u look innocent of botting infact... makes u look guilty of it.

[Rosina]

ps i'm not anti hnm but i know for a fact ppl used bots. most LS on garuda near braged about using it... same for lakshmi. plus its not hard to point out a bot if u use common sence. and really if hnm are forced pop every 15 min... no need for them. just make them roaming and spawn every 15 min on the dot... that will get anyone gear

Also EVERYONE is infact entitled to everything in ffxi as we are all paying for it. we all pay a fee we shouble be able to get what we pay for.