Bring back Long spawn/Rare WORLD HNM but put drops in legion/einherjar/other bc also

[Rosina]

OaT = Occasionally attack Twice.

Something that gives Joy Toy HQ +999 to Blue Mage, Red Mage, and Paladin.

The work to get it is insane (read until you get to the OaT trials).

ya i read them b4 just never seen anyone use oat in game b4. And mog trials by nature are insane... full of waiting, waiting, and more waiting. Kinda why I don't do them... too much waiting.

[Trisscar]

He's actually the leader of an LS that paid more than $4,000 for bots, he would do the content, happily. His whole LS actually quit when abyssea came out too, mainly because it was hard content that required competent players, and couldn't be monopolized by their bots. I'm sad to see them back honestly. Whats the name of that LS again? Dryroot on Leviathan? was that it? I'm pretty sure thats it.

So what they want is hand holding? Isn't that the exact opposite of what they are claiming to ask for? IE: A challenge?

[Demon6324236]

OAT are not popular because most jobs use an Emp or Relic, if they are 1 handers they use a weapon to make their DPS & WSs stronger rather than TP faster. Myself I prefer the idea of OATs because while a stronger WS is good, I think if I can do 3 WSs in the time you do 2, but mine are only 10% weaker, I am doing better than you are.

On Topic:The idea presented is the only way it can be done without to many people complaining. No matter what you do though complaints will be made.

[Rosina]

honestly long spawns are not the only way you can do hnm. ffxiv proved this. There are many styles of spawn SE used over time. Force pops, claimed pops, ki pops, gather and crafted pops. Time doesn't need to be a type of pop. Nor is really good for a game. All we do in ffxi is wait on everything, from parties, to help, to getting content done. MMo are games made for fun over mnths and maths of play. But that shouldn't be waiting for content. If you want gear to be rare... do token type method. that way u build up tokens to get said gear. Just have the hnm on low time or be force pop. this keep hnm lasting a while, anyone can do the content... and there is added challenge in having to build up tokens.

[Trisscar]

On Topic:The idea presented is the only way it can be done without to many people complaining. No matter what you do though complaints will be made.

The suggestions of ZNM type pops other poster (including myself) wouldn't work... Because?

[Demon6324236]

Like I said, there will always be complaining. They want to camp, that means they will complain if they don't get it. We want to have the content accessible to everyone, meaning we will complain if they get it. People want gear to be able to be gotten outside of it(myself included) so they don't have to camp, they will complain if the gear is only from the HNMs. List goes on and on but in the end its the same, no matter what is done someone will not be happy. And honestly his idea is one many have said including myself in past threads now closed, and is probably the one that steps on the least toes.

[Demon6324236]

The suggestions of ZNM type pops other poster (including myself) wouldn't work... Because?

Because they want the camp, not just the NMs, but the camping itself, I don't know why and apparently they do. ZNMs will not allow them the camping, and they will continue to complain because of it I'm sure. I would like the idea myself, it works so long as the picture thing isn't involved, but they want to camp so I figure let them.

[Camiie]

Thats when you really gotta laugh at people, you are paying for something to make the game you are already paying monthly for, easier... lol.

Not only that, but the ones asking for a hardcore challenge and degrading casual players are the ones most likely to cheat2win. Am I the only one who sees that as the ultimate irony?

[wish12oz]

I love when the king camping crowd tries to act like Kings or any of that stuff was at all difficult after 2006~
The only hard part was getting claim, which they used bots for, then they felt superior to everyone else and could block them from being able to do content. That is what this arguement is really about. People who paid lots of money for bots are mad they cant use those bots to get stuff no one else can get anymore.

[FrankReynolds]

I think the bottom line here is that there are already tons of world spawn NMs that no one camps regularly because they don't have good drops. So the fun / challenge of camping a spawn NM and killing it is clearly not what these people care about.

Anyone who has played this game long enough to get to where they think they are ready to fight an HNM should have long realized that FFXI is absolutely the wrong game to play for PVP, so they are barking up the wrong tree if they want to compete with other players in any meaningful way.

As far as making friends, etc. while camping... go to port Jeuno. It's like a swingers bar full of chatty galkas and cats.

If you just want to have something that no one else has... build a PUP Mythic.

EDIT: sort of funny that the second post got 3 times as many likes as the OP