Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

[Zagen]

I do this all the time.

My friend and I as well, and so does the LS I'm in as well. Maybe it doesn't work for him and that's the real problem?

[Ramsos]

That guy must have missed the lesson on sleep nuking during all that EXP he got, oh wait...

Guy also thought that haste gear lowered provoke recast, thats a totally different story.

[jeffanddane]

yeah right guardian i don't believe you lol

[Kazen]

Hey man, I learned while leveling RDM the old way people like haste and refresh! I also learned that if I cure people they stop dying!

In all seriousness... absolutely nothing done from exp grinding will contribute to make someone a better player. I can guarantee you that if you give me any job I do not have currently with the correct gear (note not choices, I will know what to use) I can play that job better than majority of the server within 3 hours. It basically comes down to how quickly someone can adapt and learn given new situations. I'm sure some people will disagree with me but some players are just stupid with the choices they make and it's as simple as that; no amount of grinding will make a stupid player any less stupid.

[Zagen]

Hey man, I learned while leveling RDM the old way people like haste and refresh! I also learned that if I cure people they stop dying!

Hmmm I learned that if I didn't cure them they died and would complain less about needing haste while it was still on them...

[Nacht]

yeah right guardian i don't believe you lol

Look, there's 3 types of people in this game. 1) People who can think for themselves, who can develop strategies on the fly given information. 2) People who can't come up with strategy, but can follow orders. 3) People who are retarded and can't even follow directions.

It's not that difficult for type 1 people to figure shit out without weeks of grinding some shitty job outside abyssea

[Greatguardian]

Look, there's 3 types of people in this game. 1) People who can think for themselves, who can develop strategies on the fly given information. 2) People who can't come up with strategy, but can follow orders. 3) People who are retarded and can't even follow directions.

It's not that difficult for type 1 people to figure shit out without weeks of grinding some shitty job outside abyssea

This ^.

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[Orson]

I really want to know how you can think research and reaction time aren't the 2 most important things in this game.

If you are leeching I assume you have basic understanding of game UI and mechanics. If you can't pick up a job from reading then you must have a hard time absorbing information or you are too lazy to bother. The only thing that experience does for you is to teach you to respond better in crisis.

Regular exp parties do not teach you how to gear for a given situation. Argue all you want that it doesn't matter but having the best gear and merits for every job is important. You rarely see people learning this by just playing. The people that do usually spend hrs upon days testing things under controlled environments.

Reaction time is not relient on training in exp parties either. Even a new player will have a good or bad reaction based on their experience with videogames and possibly other things. What they will need to learn is what to react to and how to react to it. Again that boils down to research or instruction especially in endgame.

The only thing exp parties do is make you better at exping. On that note I believe that biggest lesson exp parties taught was to exclude all jobs that weren't popular because they slowed down exp.

[RabidSquirrel]

Hm. I really am quite surprised how many people are against raising the required level to 70. Hell, even I leeched my summoner to 90, but because my only other 90 was white mage. I'd drive my friends crazy asking them to kill things for me. A little bit of insight into a game developer's mind: It is NEVER good when any part of your game is rendered obsolete. And it is not the fault of the players. They will do whatever it takes to level up as fast as possible, which is perfectly fine. So players preaching to players about what they should do is stupid. SE has made a bad decision which has now caused so many people to cheat their way to the top.

As a side thought: I had been wondering why the hell I have been getting an abnormal amount of praise on my white mage, who was 75 before CoP. Well, I guess I know why now.

And wow. 100+ pages.

[Nepharite]

The only thing exp parties do is make you better at exping. On that note I believe that biggest lesson exp parties taught was to exclude all jobs that weren't popular because they slowed down exp.

If it wasn't for abyssea there'd be a lot less pups running around because they couldn't get exp pts. Oh wait that is a negative on abyssea leeching. =/