HNMs and the future of FFXI

[Dazusu]

seem to carry a really negative vibe to say the least.

That's rich coming from the "no police."

[cidbahamut]

That's rich coming from the "no police."

I don't think you understand that term.

[Habu]

Yay drama free now

[Catsby]

You can blame the concept of atmas and weakness !! for HNMs now. If the two were never as powerful as they are now then you might have bosses that still take a decent amount of cooperation and skill to kill.

[Winrie]

I think it's pretty clear what most of us want right now, no disrespect to the casuals but some of us want something more. To the people complaining about bots, don't fo the content if you dont wanna, it's simple. You all who object to the want of hnm return seem to assume you'll have to do it hands down 100%, first I'd like to note there's no hnm out, it's a suggestion, that's what forums are for, dry your tears, secondly I'd like to state back in the golden age lots of the top tier shit came from more casual done events such as limbus, dynamis and einherjar. Thus I don't see a reason for the bitching.


Btw I want a pink fafnir to fight gdi

[Catsby]

People don't know what the term "casual" means in games anymore. Also, I love the tags for the thread.

[Winrie]

IMO not to dis on anyone but if I'm paying my money irl to play a video game id rather it not be a casual game, but I'll play whatever is fun if it keep me entertained.

[Camiie]

I think it's pretty clear what most of us want right now,

Most of who? Most of the people for HNM in this thread or most of the FFXI population? I have doubts that most of the FFXI population wants what you do. I can't prove it, but it seems a safe assumption.

no disrespect to the casuals but some of us want something more.

That's not blatantly disrespectful, just underhandedly so. You want something different, but don't assume what you want is superior, deeper, or more valid.

To the people complaining about bots, don't fo the content if you dont wanna, it's simple.

It's not as simple as that. If the HNM crowd is out there botting gear it affects what happens outside of that content. The ill-gotten gear from HNM doesn't just vanish when you step outside the Aery. If you don't think that could have a ripple effect on the rest of the game in several ways, then you need to think about it a bit more. The botting and win-at-all-costs mentalities don't vanish when you step outside the Aery either.

[Habu]

Bots bots bot bot bots. Get over ittttttttt. QQ into your pillow more while I'm out killing all the Fafnirs. No really the bot conversation is getting old.

[Tamoa]

Also, OP already said it more than once that having the gear obtainable in a secondary way - like with Odin and kings abjurations - would be absolutely fine. So I really don't see the problem here and I have to admit I get the impression that the majority of those crying "omgbots", are probably people who either 1) never did hnms, 2) rarely claimed hnms/couldn't kill if they claimed, 3) never got anything they wanted when they did hnms because they were in shells where the leaders got everything and favouritism ruled. I might be wrong though, idk.