10th Vana'versary Mog Bonanza

[Vazerus]

Makes me wonder if those game-tables at certain spots in Vana'diel are legal or not...

I forgot about this, lol. Inb4 game tables get nuked.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Hmmm, I actually didn't even think about why any law would really come in the way of an in-game contest/event. I must have become so used to it of late, as it has been the given reason to quite several region related stuff not being possible.

Perhaps I just stopped caring, perhaps I was sleepy. Either way, while not saying it's a lie, it does puzzle my mind. Were the prizes real-life items, then it would make lots more sense but for in-game things?

Makes me wonder if those game-tables at certain spots in Vana'diel are legal or not...

A lot of countries class in-game items the same as real items now, also competition laws apply the same for in-game items.

Reminds me of a case (can't remember where) when someone got charged in court for logging into an ex's account and dropping all their items/equipment as if she'd burned all of them in reality.

[Camiie]

Hmmm, I actually didn't even think about why any law would really come in the way of an in-game contest/event.

I wonder if it's more of a problem with how some countries are treating virtual property than anything really to do with gambling or games of chance. That's just totally blind speculation.

And I think Daniel_Hatcher beat me to it as I was typing...

[Spiritreaver]

see this is where ur wrong, for example lets say some joeblow on a server wins rank 1 and choose the gil gets a few KC to drop from bcnm fights-selling them all for gil, whats stopping him from selling the gil for monetary gain memo<<<.i personally think its a great idea to stop all the bs thats been goin around with all the bonaza's.

My point, using possible RMT down the line is a stupidly silly reason to kill this event. And i doubt it was a factor in SE's decision.

[Dazusu]

There's an incredibly away to remove the 'lottery' classification from the Mog Bonanza, and it's surprised me that someone at squares Legal Department hasn't come up with it yet.

By definition a lottery is a competition that requires no skill, only a token to enter and the result is decided by random drawing or 'fate'.

How do you remove the lottery classification to appease laws? Add a small element of skill. If you add any amount of skill what-so-ever, it's no longer a lottery - it's now considered a pool (of correct answers). The simple way around it is to have the Moogle that distributes tickets ask the player a simple question, such as: "What's the sum of 4 + 4?" - If they answer correctly, they are entered into a pool of players who also answered correctly, and are able to select their Marble numbers as per usual.

Legally speaking, it's no longer a lottery, it's now a nominal test of skill. (This would work in the UK and USA, unsure about other jurisdictions). Companies abuse this loophole every day.

[Phogg]

I'm not concerned about laws that may be out of the control of the developers and end users. What I find disturbing is that an announcement was made promoting an upcoming mog bonanza two months ago, causing myself and others to activate accounts in order to be eligible for the event, and then not told the event was canceled until SE determined enough people were "curious" about it to bring this to light.

Laws might be out of the control of the devs, but sending off this information efficiently certainly is. Thanks for wasting my money, SE!

[Daniel_Hatcher]

I'm not concerned about laws that may be out of the control of the developers and end users. What I find disturbing is that an announcement was made promoting an upcoming mog bonanza two months ago, causing myself and others to activate accounts in order to be eligible for the event, and then not told the event was canceled until SE determined enough people were "curious" about it to bring this to light.

Laws might be out of the control of the devs, but sending off this information efficiently certainly is. Thanks for wasting my money, SE!

It's not like they told you to activate inactive accounts to increase your chances of winning.

[Alhanelem]

It certainly is true that it is very difficult to have international contests. Even when you can do it, you're often forced to exclude certain people due to their nation'state/district/municipal laws.

Were the prizes real-life items, then it would make lots more sense but for in-game things?

This mog bonanza is a real life event- Even if the prizes are items in a game, the contest would still be subject to laws. Not every country's law even distinguishes virtual prizes from physical ones.

And then no one goes to XIV (and some, like me, terminate their XIV account forever)

I don't know about you, but I'm not going to refuse to patoronize another SE service or game or manga or whatever purely because they cancelled some other one. It's just a fact of life- nothing lasts forever. FFXI won't last forever, FFXIV won't last forever, nothing will last forever. There's no sense in being spiteful over it. That would / is going to be a petty action on your part.

[Kluaf]

Well then they better remove the sf gambling tables as well !!!

[Cahlum]

I saw this coming for quite some time ever since they got rid of the game corner in Pokemon Platinum in the EU then in Heart Gold and Soul Silver in the US. It is a form of gambling to get around this law they can easily just give people 10 free raffle tickets as then no one is actually losing any money.