HNMs and the future of FFXI

[Habu]

The luck you speak of concerns drops, not claims. And, drops were horrible on HNM's, also. Ask the people who waited for long periods without having a Ridill drop. So, HNM's were a double dose of luck. Or, a dose of hacking and luck. If you are trying to say HNMLS's didn't hack, you need to know that Denial is not a river.

You, and a small minority, live in a time that a large majority, including those who lived it, never want to return to.

Hacking again, it's a game, it happens, get over it. EVERY game has that issue.

The problem is, what will be your response if S/E says that the HNM drops can be gotten in other ways? If you're okay with that, then fine. If not, then bringing them back does involve everyone. Not just those who want them.

Yes they can do like they did with Odin and give a mob that still requires some effort to obtain drops that are from HNM.

[Camiie]

Sorry I miss read that. You only have one EMP. Meaning you're casual, you probably never touched an HNM in your life which means you have no ties to them. You wouldn't understand.

I know what you said wasn't directed at me but... I only have one Emp and I have done plenty of HNM camping. Possibly more than you. That's a poor standard to go by to decide who's done HNM and who hasn't.

[Randwolf]

Hacking again, it's a game, it happens, get over it. EVERY game has that issue.

I agree. However, the old HNM structure, in fact any structure, that has highly sought after drops which only come from one source, tends to make hacking worse. Plus, if you didn't want to wait until you got lucky or hack yourself, then you ended up having to pay the hackers for the drop.

Yes they can do like they did with Odin and give a mob that still requires some effort to obtain drops that are from HNM.

I have no problem with a system that has two ways in which to get drops: one, a player versus player route, and the other, a player versus difficult mob route.

[Habu]

Possibly more than you..

I doubt that. /flex

[Winrie]

Vote for Habu 2012. This kid knows whats good.

I need some competition and timesinks like my old FFXI, the good FFXI.

[Smeggles]

Habu,

How are you going to get the "Thrill of outclaiming a rival LS" when you and your 4 buddies are the only people that want this stupid shit back? There won't BE any competition.

HNM's were a stupid design (spawn times/windows) it should have been about the fight, not the time wasted getting the claim.

[Habu]

If you build it they will come.

kudos if you know where that's taken from lol

[Smeggles]

If you build it they will come.

kudos if you know where that's taken from lol

Field of Dreams

But no they won't, specially if it's the same power drops or exactly the same gear obtainable elsewhere. People always take the easier route.

SE should spend their development time making difficult, interesting and fun FIGHTS not worrying that people need to spend X hours sitting there doing nothing but waiting on a pop they might not get.

[Habu]

That's like saying people chose to do Odin over HNMs since they dropped basically the same things. Odin didn't have Ridill, D.Ring etc but gave P. Body, Valhalla etc. You still saw people camping HNMS even though 90% of the good gear also dropped from Odin.

[Hayward]

My first inclination was to stay out of this pathetic excuse for a thread. The arguments themselves are so absurd that no one with any sense would take them at face value.

Sparthos pretty much nails it, though. However, I'd say these people are conflating difficulty with exclusivity rather than confusing the two. To them, nothing could have been worse than the concept of Abyssea, where everyone has a shot at getting or building strong weapons/armor if they want to do so. If these "elitists", for lack of a better term, had their way their sensei--he who dares not be named--would be requested to take away all atmas, triple the HP of every NM, make them time spawn every 3-5 days, and drop only crystals/logs/ores at the end of the 99% of the fights. If these folks had their way AF3+2 would be little better than Relic armor and the items to build the armor would take weeks/months to get (see Dynamis circa 2006). People like Dazusu, Arcon, Winrie, and others simply cannot stand the fact that Abyssea completely wrecked their concept of good equipment going only to those who "deserve" them (i.e. kiss enough behind to make mid-level corporate climbers look askance).