PS2 and Xbox 360 players prohibited from Neo-Nyzul

[Afania]

Are there any plans to remove Nyzul Isle Uncharted Area Survey from the PS2 and Xbox 360 versions to help with memory limitations? Considering, ya know, you kind of need Skype and some third-party programs to stand a fighting chance in the event because it's not balanced?

At least on Quetzalcoatl, shouters prohibit non-PC players and non-Skype users from joining Neo-Nyzul shouts. I don't blame them even 1%, because the event is set up to require third-party programs and voice chat due to the low time limit.

Are there any plans to remove Neo-Nyzul from the console versions, to extend the time limit even just 15 minutes for the event, or is the long-term goal for the event just to leave it as it is: an infamous inside joke of imbalance that everyone can agree on?

This topic has a very slight tilt toward the extreme, but with 100% dead-seriousness, the event needs to be adjusted so that players don't justifiably feel the need to require specific versions of the game, hardware, or outside programs. And also, eliminate the need for a revolving door of Scholars, because after each run, a SCH is dumped and replaced with a new one with a fresh 2-hour.

I play on the PC version, but all players would benefit from adjustment to this content.

Edit: No, I'm not seriously suggesting removing this content from the PS2 and Xbox 360 versions. I'm trying to make a point. Nyzul Isle Uncharted Area Survey has serious problems.

I think before you complain about this event, there are a couple of ways to solve the problem you listed, maybe try to solve it yourself before blaming game design?

1. If /shouter doesn't allow none-PC user to join /shout, make your own pt, plain and simple.

2. If you think playing on console will hinder your pt, play jobs like rune SCH, those jobs doesn't really require to see through walls to find 1 enemy. And if you're pt lead, you don't have to worry about being kicked after 1st run too. Get some COR mule to reset your 2hr after run.

3. Or if you have a laptop, you can still use voice chat with a console.

4. It is entirely possible to clear Nyzul F100 in a console enviroment. Watch this vid: nicoviewer.net/sm17623114, this pt cleared F100 with 9+ min to spare. The player who recorded it played in a console enviroment most likely: I didn't see any numbers behind the lamps, didn't see windower/JA recast etc, didn't see fillmode, all they do is rotate 7 powder boots to offset the disadvantage without fillmode. It is entirely possible to clear with a PS2/Xbox360. You just have to find ppl that accepts it and start rotating powder boots.


None of the problem you listed are unsolveable, you just have to try harder to make your own group that accepts console player. I tried /shout and post on server forums to find my ppl, and dragged friends, and they had no problem with the job I was using(BLU, which is considered inferior to 2h) and my console liked enviroment(I had another laptop on for skype), now I'm Thaumas 5/5. I have to admit win rate is a bit lower than many other statics(only avg 17 clear most of the time, compare with other group with 22 clears it's a bit lower), but it's doable in a console enviroment, that vid proves it, inb4 you doubt other pt member in the vid cheats, the discussion is about whether it's clearable in console enviroment or not.

Also, this event has 0 need to be adjusted. NF100 set is bandwagon enough, and probably fastest ex/rare gear to 5/5 in FFXI history. Making the time limit any longer just destroys the balance.

[Kitkat]

As a player who has used vent for certain events I find that it isn't entirely necessary, but it also has it's perks. I'm limited on any of the voice chat software myself due to being mute, which also limits who I will play the content with also (since you run into those who think inability to speak some how inhibits the ability to listen;mute =/= deaf).

My biggest issue with this thread is more so those laughing at the console users or ostracizing them because they don't have a pc right next to their console setup to use voice chat software, or have one at all (yes, it's unbelievable but some still don't in this day and age). As the above poster mentions, it isn't unreal for a console player to be efficient, it just requires more effort on their part since they can't cheat to do so. In all honesty Neo isn't much different at all from the original, the primary difference being random floor skip progression and NM's with a certain degree of difficulty for 99 cap.

About the only thing this event really limits console players in participation is the ignorance of the random shout groups to do the event. If it is that big of an issue to you then I would highly suggest finding a group that can be built around those you know and static the event rather than complaining about those who shout saying "voice chat or gtfo."

[Gokku]

PC user
12/15 100 gear * i do not have a job for the mage gear set but yea...*
Static is 17/25 on wins
Set up: war war war/mnk drk sch sch
We have taken ls members *one at a time* on runs with us to gear them up since the content is so unbalanced.

that all being said , SE put this content and the 25 floor 80 win gimic in as a huge time sink. the event could be fixed simply by removing lamp floors totally. they are hands down the #1 run killer for any and all groups and the sole reason most people cant even join pugs without pc/skype/vent etc.

Neo is not hard at all , prefect example I have an extremely well geared monk but during my statics initial 4 runs we ran into alot of flan floors / amorphs and i eventually ended up changing to my war. Now my war is not ridiculously geared like my monk is but it is well above average but what my war doesn't have is a relic/mythic/empy. Now even without the massive dps boost of a proper war wep (im using the crit+4% GA) and a pretty decent upheaval set , im more then able to keep up with our other relic/empy DD's. So if you are doing neo you dont NEED relic/empy etc but you do need smart players.

The reason most people on PC's are able to clear this content and console users cant is simply communication.
We do our runs on vent , the 2 Sch's are CONSTANTLY in synch with each other on spell rotations rune control buff wear and 2 hour timers. All dps are calling out mobs as they see them be it boss location or simply whos training a zone with move+ so the others can hit lamps agro free. From a dps stand point we have adopted a split bunny hop kill style with 2 groups of DD's 1war+drk 1 war +war/mnk calling out a mob and the next dps grabbing the nearest mob. From what i understand about our sch's they are both geared (1 in 490ish other in 506) enhancing skill sets, and the spells they keep up are , embrava enthunder haste regen regain phlanx.

Also PLEASE USE TEMPS your dd's and mages should all have temps and food up for this event youve no room for slackers, and if your going with anything remotely close to a sub optimal setup stop and get the right gear/ players for the event.Your friends may not want to hear "sorry but you need a better dps job" but until your groups getting wins you need to cut people out and take whats needed to win.

if that helps anyones runs i hope so, either way to console users keep trying.

Neo is 20%skill 10%gear and 70% luck i say this because no matter how much of the first 2 your group has a 1>4>6>8>12>14>18>20..etc run = you are not getting to 100.

[Alhanelem]

The luck was simply transferred from shiatty drop rates to shiatty random floor nonsense.

[Reiterpallasch]

It is entirely possible to clear Nyzul F100 in a console enviroment. Watch this vid: nicoviewer.net/sm17623114, this pt cleared F100 with 9+ min to spare. The player who recorded it played in a console enviroment most likely: I didn't see any numbers behind the lamps, didn't see windower/JA recast etc, didn't see fillmode, all they do is rotate 7 powder boots to offset the disadvantage without fillmode. It is entirely possible to clear with a PS2/Xbox360. You just have to find ppl that accepts it and start rotating powder boots.

And what magical wonder console to suppose they filmed the video on?

[Vortex]

And what magical wonder console to suppose they filmed the video on?

Basicly what Afania is saying is that it's still possible to win on console with that 1/100 chance that you get incredibly lucky. and easy floors. getting to 100 once out of 250 tries, so if every floor is one enemy, no lamps or easy lamps you can win.


and regardless of how many powder boots you have going 2-2-2-2-2-3-4-2-2-4-3-4-2-2 jumps with 90% of them being order lamps or all enemy floors you aren't going to get 100. yes, this is a example of pure bad luck, but posting videos of extreamly lucky runs does not exclude the fact that console won't get there most of the time. even a full pink group can make it to 100 if every floor was one easy enemy and 5-9 floor jumps.

in other words, it's 90% luck based. and you need very good communication to even stand a chance at neo-nyzul.

[Kaisha]

I don't see what you'd need Vent for.

Our group pretty much says nothing outside of <t>, DE (dead-end), calling our lamp-related crap, and general directions from rune to leader/specific-mob (N E N W - Go north, then east, then north, then west), and stuff between floor hops such as asking for a particular ~na spell or buff.

Not really anything that actually requires communication as long as everyone knows the general flow of the run and how to act.

[Gokku]

typing out everything you just listed would easyly cost you a run or few in the long run.

[Alhanelem]

typing out everything you just listed would easyly cost you a run or few in the long run.

Not really. It's the kind of thing you can type while moving or takes so little time that the reaction time would be basically the same as if someone spoke it to you.

If you have a cohesive group, there isn't much to talk about during a run. There isn't really any battle strategy or anything complicated, just one letter to one word directions and orders.