Casting Sneak / Invisible Outside of Party?

[svengalis]

Well when we usually do VW there's usually only two whitemages in our alliance. Sometimes there's always that one person who forgets medicine... long story short would be nice if we could cast sneak / invisible on alliance members outside of our party.

[cidbahamut]

How do people manage to leave their mog house without oil and powder?

You can't use "people are stupid" as an argument for changing something.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

How do people manage to leave their mog house without oil and powder?

You can't use "people are stupid" as an argument for changing something.

I can if there was a point that they ever took it out of their inventory inthe first place. Like ninja tools, they should neve not be in your inventory, even if you're a whm/sch.

[Rezeak]

How do people manage to leave their mog house without oil and powder?

You can't use "people are stupid" as an argument for changing something.

i do all the time .... my solution is Twilight set and Crimson pants

[Dragoy]

How do people manage to leave their mog house without oil and powder?

You can't use "people are stupid" as an argument for changing something.

I've used those items on maybe three (3) occasions total, during 5 or more years. One of them was probably my first journey to Jeuno.

So personally, I never really needed them. Then again, I've always had other sources for the effects (magic, ninjutsu, job abilty). I do sometimes carry some of them with me in case someone else needs them and I'm not as a magey job at the time.

But yeah, guess I'm stupid in that regard as well!
As for the suggestion itself, are you actually against it, or what is it that is being your point? :]

I, for one, can't think of a reason why it should not be done, even though I would not benefit from it at all.
If we could cast those spells on non-party members, then I might rarely have a use for it but even so, not much.

Still, I'd definitely see it as a positive change fer sure.

[Rukkirii]

Currently, the way that spells/abilities are set up fall into one of three categories: Self/Party Members/Anyone. Therefore, we can’t just make an adjustment to allow something to reach alliances only. If we were to do this, it would have to be done so that the spell applies to "Anyone."

In that case, we have to worry quite a bit about harassment and griefing that could result from that change. For example, when players have to be visible to interact with something (like a door), someone can cast invisible on them to grief them repeatedly. Secondly, players would be able to disrupt someone who is trying "pull with sound aggro" by casting sneak on them before hand. Furthermore, casting invisible on someone else and making them disappear without their consent is a major point of harassment.

These reasons are why we haven't moved to change the properties of Sneak/Invisible beyond their current party member limitation.

[cidbahamut]

Are you serious?

[Zubis]

Isn't that why /blockaid exists? Uh, I'm not sure if that exists anymore, haven't used it in years.

[Aleste]

Im content with it being party only.... I still get grief from players who need to be sneakd and inivsd everywhere.

Ive gotten to the stage where I burn stratagem charges on sneak and invis just to avoid people asking for it. You just know if you get to camp and theres 1+ people without it then you're going to end up having to go back and babysit them the way there... Whereas, if you leave them, theres a pretty good chance theyll die and youll have to go back anyways.

Having it alliancewide would just give more people the excuse not to bring tools/meds on the grounds that someone else will deal with it.

[Zhronne]

These reasons are why we haven't moved to change the properties of Sneak/Invisible beyond their current party member limitation.

This doesn't make much sense.
If Player A wants to harass Player B by casting spells on him, he could do it with several other spells like Cure, Haste etc.
Player A can defend himself from Player B's harassing behaviour by using the command /Blockaid
The same command could be used to defend against Invisible/Sneak.

I don't see the logic, please try to rephrase your (well, the dev team's) point of view so I can better understand their worries.