Rant About Current End Game - ADL and Voidwatch = Old FFXI, No Thanks

[MarkovChain]

You do realize how fast sam and drg can get 300 tp right? 1 meditate = 180 tp. Your a moron lol. Can maintain AM3 on drg and sam, and the aftermath will eat any other DD alive.

You can maintain AM3 on any DD idiot, you are just wasting 2 weapon skills to do so and last I checked DRG 300%TP dragoon's WS doesn't equal to 3 x 100 TP ws, so go back to thinking you have a clue. AM3 is soo short that it's only worth it with at least double march/haste, and since it doesn't overwrite itself you have to stay engaged the whole time or any second while you are not engaged is going to waste.bin. "Riding" AM3 is not realistic for 99% of the content. They remain great weapons to use @ 100 TP though, but probably no the best so stop using AM3 as an argument as to why mythics are great.

The only job where it's possibly the best is PUP because of no relic, and because they didn't gimp the DPS nor the mythic WS, so it's already better than empy at 100 tp probably.

[Karbuncle]

Wasting two Weaponskills to get an Aftermath up that lasts 3 minutes is frankly a drop in the bucket compared to the fact You'd know have a high damage with With Occ Atks 2-3x for 3 minutes. its multiplying your WS Frequency dramatically, which will more than make up for the 2 missed Weaponskills.

And thats assuming you even waste 2 full Weaponskills, You have to consider TP Overflow, from double attacks, what have you. You could get bumped to about 120% TP from just a double attack at the right time, take into consideration for DRG getting over-TP from Jumps, if you hit 100% TP Perfectly, its wasting 2 WS, If you over-TP, which is far more likely, And that TP Won't carry over, so you end up wasting maybe 1 and a half Weaponskills.

I don't think you're horribly wrong, I just think you underestimate the effects of having a your TP-Phase damage, and WS Frequency doubled or higher for 3 minutes.

[MarkovChain]

All aftermaths don't last 3 minutes. Only pup one does I believe. Other mythic last 120 sec = 2 minutes only. In order to maintain aftermath you don't only waste 200TP for the initial AM3, but you do it EVERY cycle, like you will need 300 tp right before AM3 wear off. Let's say it takes 20 sec to build 100 TP, without AM, you will need like ~ 40 sec to build 300 TP so you can only take advantage of AM3 for 1'20s. Needless to say, ALL the mythics weapons beside DRG and PUP are pretty much excluded at this point, aka all the mythics WS that don't suck. For DRG, it probably slightly winning *IF* you can maintain AM3 like I said, but it's not realistic except failwatch I guess. Basically what I'm saying is wasting alex on anything but PUP is a waste of epeen. I'm going to say that AM3 pup beats anything but I never really did the math, my only consideration are the fact that SP w/o mythic boost = victory smite, with a similar DPS as vere but 3 or 4 tier of martial arts, so a normal weapon were you don't have to use AM3 to make it not suck. If you zerk well it's even stronger obviously with AM3 and SP-spam.

[Fupafighter]

All aftermaths don't last 3 minutes. Only pup one does I believe. Other mythic last 120 sec = 2 minutes only. In order to maintain aftermath you don't only waste 200TP for the initial AM3, but you do it EVERY cycle, like you will need 300 tp right before AM3 wear off. Let's say it takes 20 sec to build 100 TP, without AM, you will need like ~ 40 sec to build 300 TP so you can only take advantage of AM3 for 1'20s. Needless to say, ALL the mythics weapons beside DRG and PUP are pretty much excluded at this point, aka all the mythics WS that don't suck. For DRG, it probably slightly winning *IF* you can maintain AM3 like I said, but it's not realistic except failwatch I guess. Basically what I'm saying is wasting alex on anything but PUP is a waste of epeen. I'm going to say that AM3 pup beats anything but I never really did the math, my only consideration are the fact that SP w/o mythic boost = victory smite, with a similar DPS as vere but 3 or 4 tier of martial arts, so a normal weapon were you don't have to use AM3 to make it not suck. If you zerk well it's even stronger obviously with AM3 and SP-spam.

All lvl 80 mythics get 180 seconds of aftermath on lvl 3 aftermath. 75 used to be bad, but you do realize a sam can get 300 tp in a matter of 30 seconds right? And you get a high base damage with OA2-3x and it can proc on ws, thus for 180 seconds, you get say a 2.2k average shoha, turning into a 3.5k+ shoha. That beats the shit out of lol masa or amano. Ryuno will just straight up mess up any DD because drakesbane alone will get a 30% damage boost. Add triple attack on that and you have yourselved the best weapon in the game. Basically put it this way, any 2 hander's best option(except MAYBE warrior) best option is mythic. BLU DNC and WHM all get great bonus's from their mythics too. You are too obsessed with how mediocre relics are thinking that they dominate mythics when you know nothing about mythics.

[Fupafighter]

K so mythic ranged weapons with lvl 3 get 180 seconds of 40% occ double damage and 20% occ triple damage. And then all main hand mythics get 40% double attack and 20% triple attack. I'm guessing if the double and triple attack can proc on weaponskills, the double and triple damage can proc on ws too for mythics. Just saying, your underestimating what the lvl 3 aftermath is capable of. I can understand if your doing weak content like abyssea or sky or dynamis, but in situations like upcoming legion and VW, which are the endgame content that we will be doing the most, I would say that maintaining lvl 3 aftermath on mythic will pretty much push people past any other DD in their category by far.

[MarkovChain]

You didn't prove anything in your post beside throwing random eyeballing damage increase and omg lol I can jump and get 300 tp instantly. DRG or SAM don't have any advantage when using mythics over relics. Anytime you waste any TP on aftermath, the relic guy is going to smoke you with his WS.

[Fupafighter]

You didn't prove anything in your post beside throwing random eyeballing damage increase and omg lol I can jump and get 300 tp instantly. DRG or SAM don't have any advantage when using mythics over relics. Anytime you waste any TP on aftermath, the relic guy is going to smoke you with his WS.

K whatever you say lol. I have seen ryunohige and koga in action, and they are epic. I have seen amano and gugnir, and they are garbage. You do realize sam basically gets no benefits from amano except the lol x3 damage right? And same with gugnir. And does the x3 damage proc on ws for relics?

[Fupafighter]

And yes, you can maintain AMl3 on any DD, but they don't get 180 seconds now do they?... I just think that your only argument is "I have relics, and I'm afraid to admit that mythic's may actually be good, so I'm going to call them garbage".

[Kiyara]

Relic Mnk = incredibly tough? I dunno about that. Every monk I've seen with empyreal seems to blow out any saraphai monk in terms of WS dmg. Final Heaven = lol. Unless you can prove me wrong on that one, show me a screenshot of a relic mnk doing 5-6k Final Heaven then I'll shut up.

[Monchat]

you don't use final heaven you use shijin spiral. I mean even with the lv99 FH boost asuran fist should still be better than FH.

Anyway, about the mythic for jobs like DRG and SAM amd 2Hander in general. Remember occasionally attack thrice is not as good as it looks, a lot of your melee hits are being wasted (over TP).

now for relic versus empy H2H. The average semi-serious player can easilly get either weapons nowaday. spharai 95 verus verth 90, spharai compeltely owns unless zerging with 300TP+impetu s(ADL zerg for example). If you compare wepons with same level, say spharai verus verths @ 99 (both wepons cost aboutt he same $$), spharai still owns, and it has gotten and indirect boost @99 due to gjallarorn +4 now also capping spharai's delay, when the lv 95 Gjallarhorn didnt. thats roughly -5% delay or +5% additional damage.